Limping heads up

[PKRNRS]

Never!

 

[Gabinho12345]

Limping is good when you or your opponent have around 20 big blinds and if you believe you have more post flop skill it's definitely a good strategy.

 

[marieemce]

Sometimes I limp HU, but if I am leaderchip I usually shove, I just limp with speculatives cards.

 

[3ccasd]

I used to play tolkro Heads up and realized that the aggro style approach only in Heads Up Hyper-Turbo, in the conventional heads up games lyudya try to use the strategy game where luck plays a minimal role.

 

[poker_bro]

Good thread. More discussion, please!!

 

[TheChosenDragon]

I do it as well. It's good to see a free flop or if you have really good cards that you can hide how strong they are and get even more money out of them.

 

[poker_bro]

I rarely limp, but I have played against many limpers, and that gives me a lot of struggle, and tilt. I play Turbo Heads Ups.

Yeah, I know my ego is too involved, many players limp basically every hand, and I don't want to let them see a cheap flop, so I raise OOP when I have a little bit better holding than average (like Q6s+), almost every time they call (passive loose players). Then what? I don't hit anything, like most of the time, what should I do, if I don't make a cBet, they bet and I have to give up my hand. That sucks. Otherwise, if I hit mid-pair or something, I make cBet, they call, on the Turn, I have to make another cBet, because opp will make a big bet, and I have to give up the hand. And every time when I have a very good holding and I do the same, firing cBets like before when I don't have that good holding, my opponent folds. Whatta heck. That makes me tilt so badly.

Almost every poker coach that I have followed teaches an aggressive approach, I have no idea how to play successfully passively. I have tried to play aggressively against passive-loose players, and it doesn't work. No fold equity, no hand reading ability when opp limps with every hand and calls almost everything and never give up until I have something good and somehow he knows that even I do exactly the same as when I have worse.

So, what is your suggestion against this kind of passive player? I really need to improve my tilt control. I have an impatient personality, I want to end tournament fast and I want to fight big pots. Against a good calling station, this is impossible. Should I just play very tight-passive OOP or how to fix this? Or just start to play a similar way, but get an edge by getting tighter and go to showdown as much as possible?

 

[kraemer]

I guess is the Slow Play I use when want not to scare the players, but it should only be used If you are 99% sure you hold the winning hand. :deal:

So it should never be used ? Because you never have 99% before the flop..... Not even with Aces against 72 off....

 

[Mikeloti13]

I like a limp tactic if you re playing a tournament but when heads up its not really my style of play. Could make it work though, i just think there are better tactics for heads up and i like to do it aggresively

 

[venycyos]

Much depends on the opponent and the battery when you have a big stack is a good idea to do so if the opponent is too aggressive or too passive is a viable strategy.

 

[Alekxandrovi3]

Professionals also make mistakes. Strong players in the heads up stage often do raise. Because if they play aggressively only when collected powerful combination, they quickly lose your stack. Players who limp at this stage just worried and so make mistakes.

 

[Pokerishard]

Depends off situation....but yaaa, sometimes lim is not bad.......not verry often because can be risky....

 

[slicheri93]

I love it when im heads-up and people just limp
instead of bet gives my trash hands like 49 27 a freeflop

But i never try to give them a freeflop in return they have to pay
But it also depends what type of game it is..
Holdem, omaha, razz, badugi etc, and if you do have notes on the player and you can read him well, they might get a freeflop just for them to make a mistake

 

[fundiver199]

I am by no means a heads-up specialist, but when stacks get shorter than 20BB, limping into the pot protect you from getting jammed on and losing 2BB or more every time, you need to fold. And I think, this is the main reason, why people do it. Its probably also, what solvers suggest as the optimal strategy.

You have paid 0,5BB already, so limping gives you a very good price, especially if there is a big ante. Many live tournaments have moved to a 1BB BNT ante, and that really matter, when it gets down to heads up. If you have to call 0,5BB to win 3,0BB in position, you cant fold any hand at all, and by limping with strong hands as well, you protect the weaker part of your range.

I am sure, some tournament specialists can add more to the subject, but I think, this is the basic theory behind a limping strategy heads up. A lot of this will also apply to blind vs. blind situations in 3+ handed situations apart from the fact, that you are going to be out of position postflop.

 

[Nr98]

I have recently updated my heads up strategy to implement a limping strategy. Basically, when stacks are in the 25 BBs range, the BB can shove profitably against your opens pretty wide and put you in a bad spot when you are opening a wide range. The pros who have adopted this strategy have done so as a defense against the 3 bet shove with these stacks.

From the SB, heads up I like to play up to 80% of my hands. If you are playing less than 60%, your are folding too often from the SB. But if I am min raising 80% that would allow the BB to shove 40%or more. So against this type of player, if you limp, they can raise, but they can't jam stacks this large, but then you put them into a bad spot with their raise as you can now jam over their raise.

Olivier Bisquet was one of the first pros I saw start to implement this, then I got some charts from Jonathan Little's book's bonus chapter on his limp/jam, limp/call, and limp/fold ranges.

If you are playing a straight forward player who is not exploiting your open range by shoving wide, then keep raising. I only make this adjustment against better players who are 3 bet shoving my opens wide.

This is pretty much it.

Basically limping allows you to play a way wider range than only raising would. To take the 25BB range for example, there are a lot of hands that can't call off a jam after they raise which would be a waste of equity. Thus it's way more profitable to limp/call their raise instead. And against opponents who don't play as agressive as you should, you can limp pretty much the entire bottom of your range and see a free flop.

 

[Igor Popadyk]

you dilute your range with limp and if you know how to play post-flop, this is a good one-on-one strategy.

 

[Pokerishard]

Every time you see a player limping you should see an opportunity to take their stack–or at least a big chunk of it–in a rather short span of time.

 

[det0nate]

Limping in is never never never a good thing - u have to ask questions with bets to kno where u r in the hand

 

[poker_bro]

Limping in is never never never a good thing - u have to ask questions with bets to kno where u r in the hand

I have won many stacks by limping my premium hands and then called when my opponent goes straightly all-in. In my opinion, winning is a good thing

 

[Pokerishard]

Limping sometimes can be tricky. Most of the time you are considered weck if you limp......But just don t abuze "limp" button...

 

[det0nate]

I have won many stacks by limping my premium hands and then called when my opponent goes straightly all-in. In my opinion, winning is a good thing

i never said you cant win - i was meaning its never a good idea
slowplay lets others hit and kill slowplaying ACEs all the time

 

[Shawnt]

Limp all in

Limping is good. Limp to check. Limp to call. Limp to check raise. Limp to fold. Or maybe if your coy enough. Limp to Re-RAISE. ALL IN. Snap them other non limping hard pushing players. Good luck everyone. And as always try to have fun. Without fun. Your not having as good time as you could be.. choose to be nice please don't choose to be bad. Santa will remember.

 

[German629]

Hello, the All CardsChat Community! I can to say only one: limping play, by my opinion, especially in Heads Up, is very bad play! Because You give out initiative yourself your opponent: this is means You lost psychologically on half already, and psychology in Poker is more important key moment, especially in that game, as Heads Up. Why enter yourself in tilt advance?! I think, this is silly!
Contrary, need try a first take iniative of game in your hands: this is path to Victory!

 

[Steve Deeble]

I personally think it’s a good strategy hides your hand strength and keeps your opponent guessing.

 

[619Leafs]

Limping heads up is another tool to use. The goal in heads up is not to be predictable. So limping mixes up your game.