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ScottishMatt
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Been playing MTTs for a little bit now on the side of cash games and after a good run in Ram's MM-ME stake (thanks man ) I've been keeping interested. I reckon I'm un-bad (not yet good) enough to be able to show some profit in these things. So now that I'm set on playing them whenever I have the time I'd like to know more about ROI and sample sizes.
1. Primarily what would an expected ROI be for an average winner at the micro BI tournaments ($11 and below is what I plan on playing)?
2. And obviously what sample size would I need to determine how successful I am at these?
TBH not quite sure if I am above average yet, but I like to think so, probably best to assume I'm there or roundabout.
Oh and some hand analysis from a recent tournament -
1) Opener was 30/15 and most of the callers were big fish (other than one guy who was only mildly fishy). I preferred a shove to calling because we are largely ahead of everyone's range except for the opener. Tens don't play too good multiway either and our value largely depends on hitting a set. Is a shove or a call better?
poker stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds + t10 - 9 players - View hand 2274584
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
SB: t1983 M = 8.26
Hero (BB): t3535 M = 14.73
UTG: t2638 M = 10.99
UTG+1: t4381 M = 18.25
UTG+2: t2770 M = 11.54
MP1: t5222 M = 21.76
MP2: t11812 M = 49.22
CO: t6266 M = 26.11
BTN: t3840 M = 16
Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is BB with T
T
UTG raises to t200, UTG+1 calls t200, 2 folds, MP2 calls t200, 2 folds, SB calls t150, Hero raises to t3525 all in, 4 folds
2) Wondering whether a raise to isolate the donker is better or a flat to induce from the SS. Thoughts?
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t30 - 9 players - View hand 2274585
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (MP2): t13659 M = 18.97
CO: t4800 M = 6.67
BTN: t34851 M = 48.40
SB: t4200 M = 5.83
BB: t11055 M = 15.35
UTG: t8655 M = 12.02
UTG+1: t6715 M = 9.33
UTG+2: t5991 M = 8.32
MP1: t24037 M = 33.38
Pre Flop: (t720) Hero is MP2 with 9
9
3 folds, MP1 calls t300, Hero raises to t660, 2 folds, SB calls t510, BB calls t360, MP1 calls t360
Flop: (t2910) 3
3
8
(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t600, Hero raises to t1442, SB raises to t3510 all in, BB folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls t2068
Turn: (t10530) 9
(2 players - 1 is all in)
River: (t10530) 6
(2 players - 1 is all in)
3) Contemplated checking flop but decided a Cbet was best. Was definitely checking back turn, really wasn't sure if I was best vs his donk but felt I was being given decent odds and can always re-evaluate OTR. When we get raised it's easy but are we happy with how this was played?
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t80 - 9 players - View hand 2274583
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (MP2): t30238 M = 15.75
CO: t2920 M = 1.52
BTN: t22212 M = 11.57
SB: t39205 M = 20.42
BB: t10240 M = 5.33
UTG: t7785 M = 4.05
UTG+1: t4893 M = 2.55
UTG+2: t13745 M = 7.16
MP1: t24372 M = 12.69
Pre Flop: (t1920) Hero is MP2 with Q
J
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t800, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1760, 2 folds, SB calls t1360, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t960
Flop: (t6800) T
J
T
(3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t2232, SB calls t2232, UTG+2 calls t2232
Turn: (t13496) Q
(3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 bets t3200, Hero calls t3200, SB raises to t10400, UTG+2 calls t6473 all in, Hero folds
River: (t36042) 5
(2 players - 1 is all in)
Being a cash player I'm unused to tournament sizing. Is the sizing in these spots OK, esp preflop isolation? (3x seems to create tricky sizing post when at 20-30BB stacks)
1. Primarily what would an expected ROI be for an average winner at the micro BI tournaments ($11 and below is what I plan on playing)?
2. And obviously what sample size would I need to determine how successful I am at these?
TBH not quite sure if I am above average yet, but I like to think so, probably best to assume I'm there or roundabout.
Oh and some hand analysis from a recent tournament -
1) Opener was 30/15 and most of the callers were big fish (other than one guy who was only mildly fishy). I preferred a shove to calling because we are largely ahead of everyone's range except for the opener. Tens don't play too good multiway either and our value largely depends on hitting a set. Is a shove or a call better?
poker stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds + t10 - 9 players - View hand 2274584
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
SB: t1983 M = 8.26
Hero (BB): t3535 M = 14.73
UTG: t2638 M = 10.99
UTG+1: t4381 M = 18.25
UTG+2: t2770 M = 11.54
MP1: t5222 M = 21.76
MP2: t11812 M = 49.22
CO: t6266 M = 26.11
BTN: t3840 M = 16
Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is BB with T
UTG raises to t200, UTG+1 calls t200, 2 folds, MP2 calls t200, 2 folds, SB calls t150, Hero raises to t3525 all in, 4 folds
2) Wondering whether a raise to isolate the donker is better or a flat to induce from the SS. Thoughts?
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t30 - 9 players - View hand 2274585
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (MP2): t13659 M = 18.97
CO: t4800 M = 6.67
BTN: t34851 M = 48.40
SB: t4200 M = 5.83
BB: t11055 M = 15.35
UTG: t8655 M = 12.02
UTG+1: t6715 M = 9.33
UTG+2: t5991 M = 8.32
MP1: t24037 M = 33.38
Pre Flop: (t720) Hero is MP2 with 9
3 folds, MP1 calls t300, Hero raises to t660, 2 folds, SB calls t510, BB calls t360, MP1 calls t360
Flop: (t2910) 3
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t600, Hero raises to t1442, SB raises to t3510 all in, BB folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls t2068
Turn: (t10530) 9
River: (t10530) 6
3) Contemplated checking flop but decided a Cbet was best. Was definitely checking back turn, really wasn't sure if I was best vs his donk but felt I was being given decent odds and can always re-evaluate OTR. When we get raised it's easy but are we happy with how this was played?
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t80 - 9 players - View hand 2274583
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (MP2): t30238 M = 15.75
CO: t2920 M = 1.52
BTN: t22212 M = 11.57
SB: t39205 M = 20.42
BB: t10240 M = 5.33
UTG: t7785 M = 4.05
UTG+1: t4893 M = 2.55
UTG+2: t13745 M = 7.16
MP1: t24372 M = 12.69
Pre Flop: (t1920) Hero is MP2 with Q
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t800, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1760, 2 folds, SB calls t1360, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t960
Flop: (t6800) T
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t2232, SB calls t2232, UTG+2 calls t2232
Turn: (t13496) Q
SB checks, UTG+2 bets t3200, Hero calls t3200, SB raises to t10400, UTG+2 calls t6473 all in, Hero folds
River: (t36042) 5
Being a cash player I'm unused to tournament sizing. Is the sizing in these spots OK, esp preflop isolation? (3x seems to create tricky sizing post when at 20-30BB stacks)