This is a discussion on fold AK ? within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; its hard but ive folded AK and KK, but I ended up winning the tourney. just seems like the beeter u fold, the more u
AK is a trouble hand for me because it is so hard to get away from pre flop but I have often times safely folded after the flop if my opponent bets into me and I missed the flop. Now KK is a hand that I probably wouldn't fold unless I have reason to believe my opponent has AA.
Yes, I agree with you that sometimes at some points in the game you need to drop even very good KK AK AQ KQ QQ cards because you can lose and fly out of tournaments, I also have moments when I fold good cards, and then I look at on the table I didn’t have any match with the combinations, it’s better to throw a good card somewhere so as not to lose and wait for another good card so that you can win!
I did fold AK in the pre-flop with the correct information from my opponents but I think it would be hard for me to do it with KK, it's more I think that in the pre-flop I've never done it, now after having the full board Of course it is very reasonable to fold KK, it all depends on the community cards that are
According to the lying cards on the table and the actions of the opponent, it is always possible to suggest which cards the opponent has. There is nothing wrong with losing a premium card. But you play on.
I can fold AK very often, especially in tournament, especially in bubble. But if I have KK, I always go all-in. In cash, I have a problem with AK if I out of position and didn't get flop. In this case I play according opponents' game.
Definitely wouldn't fold KK, until after the flop. Then you can determine where you are in the hand. AK..this one is could be a fold preflop. Best one for me, AK, 4 players in it, Flop AAK. Checked all the way around, knew if I bet, everyone would fold...so just checking and hoping someone hits something. Wasnt a very big pot but I got a little bit.
I think this is a difficult question! Initially the decision will depend on how many blinds you have and at what point in the game. For example if I have 25 blinds and I am playing about an hour in a (15minutes blinds) tournament with 2000 participants I will move all in with Ak. On the other side, if we are in the game 400 people, and payouts come in 20 places, I prefer to fold my Ak in order to be in payouts and have the minimum profit. Of course an imporatnt factor is if you put all in first or if you call someone else and the number of people who will act after you. In conclusion I guess that apart from aces, kings and queens, Ak is the strongest hand to move all in as JJ's and TT's, so in 60%-70% I would put all in with Ak!
You are right to win, you need to lose sometime. I repeatedly fold strong arms in some hands. And sometimes it is not right, but in the end it is still more often correct. If you fold, you will not lose, but will not win, and save your stack for the game.
AK is easy for me to fold post flop, if I don't make any progress. At that point they are just 2 cards that have already missed. KK is tough, having lost with them to lower pairs hitting the set or an Ace popping up on the board. The hands are no different than any others, know the odds and know the players. Good luck.
I have folded AKo/s many times preflop or post flop. because I like to play my cards and not rushing into action. Your cards wont hit any draws or hit any of your cards. so this is the spot I fold my AKs/o....rather than pocket K's id probably go with an all in call...I wont go all in with Kings but I would call an all in.
If starting for AK
I will of course raise
but 3 or 4 people re-re-re-raise then Im pretty sure i will fold because I have only AK plus preflop. I don't know about flop/turn and river. So believe me I will fold.
if you threw AK and KK preflop in a tournament with knockouts, then this certainly deserves praise because it is not very easy to do, especially at low limits! but if you fold these cards on the flop or turn / river, then this does not deserve attention
many players go with this hand until the end, sometimes on the river an ACE comes, but most still you can lose a lot of chips if you have nothing, you should be able to throw these hands that's the difference between a good player from the usual
I really relate to the feedback of those who fold AK out of position in Tournis specially when early.. unless you are playing 5 MTTs simultaneous anyway and risking all chips in 1 MTT life to double or triple up, or lose and play the rest of the MTTs you joined.
I think fold AK is pretty easy post flop but can be hard preflop. If there is more than one person all in pre flop, I may fold depending on opponents history, their stack//vs my stack, my position in the tourney, how close I am to cashing etc. It's a risk vs. reward decision for sure. Post flop, it's pretty easy to know when you're beat or ahead with AK. If the flop comes out dry, you throw out a c-bet out of position, opponent will either fold, call or raise. Folding, well it's obvious, calling can be suspicious if there is paint on the board or a draw of some sort, and raising, well, they have it. A lot of times if a draw misses, I'll throw out another bet on the turn and I'll usually get a fold. If someone jams and I have top pair, that'll be a hard one but they might just have a lower pair but could have hit trips. I'll only call in that situation if I can afford it.
KK is difficult pre, but not so much if one or more people are in the pot and bet with an ace on the board. A c bet in position after a check or if they bet on the flop usually indicates that they hit their ace... usually. I think it's close to 25% of the time that an ace hits, someone has it
AK can for sure be folded, especially in icm situations, KK if its a low buy in tournament im not folding, and I'll live with the results. If its for real deal big boy money, then I think about folding KK.
ppl seem to have a hard on for AK even the pros. depending on the bet size it's not hard to fold i would never call for all my chips unless 10 bb
I am with you here, but I might event wait a bit longer. I don't like pushing with AK only to bust to pairs. I try to see the flop before getting in my chips. That is unless I am in a freeroll, then prolly all in first hand...lol.
its hard but ive folded AK and KK, but I ended up winning the tourney. just seems like the beeter u fold, the more u win.
Yes of course i folded AK, AK's, KK, QQ and I've even folded AA!
Sometimes there are situations in which it is necessary to forget the strength of the initial hand and think more about "Staging the Prize Winners!", And also for example it may be that near the bubble there are players with many chips that take advantage of this Situation and rise disproportionately with any hand to sign the players who want to enter the prizes, and often these win with pretty bad initial hands, so that a person fold strong initial hands is, in my opinion a very good decision!
On many occasions also, like you, it happened to me that I folded strong hands and ended up coming to the final table and even winning the tournament.
In my opinion the best thing about a tournament is to get as close to number 1, and of course these strong hands are well folded in cases where one is not Chip Leader on the table and there are few players left to enter the winning spots.
For pre-flop, AK should be easy to fold to an all-in. Most shoves are pairs, which means AK wins < 50%. I almost never fold KK/AA pre-flop. Post-flop, both KK/AA can become foldable on a coordinated board.