Anyone think the double or nothing sit & go are worthy for grinding up my bankroll?

Why not? Many players like these SNG. Try it.

Of course yes, only that it would be little by little, suddenly it may be difficult to see big profits on some occasions, but it is not bad to start or to have a little more security and control of your bank

Absolutely...one of the 'least risky' SnGs if played correctly and focus on finishing ITM vice winning.

In many poker rooms, the rake in these tournaments is slightly larger than usual. Otherwise, they are quite good for advancing a bankroll and for quickly obtaining VIP status.

had the experience to play in this tournament if a lot of patience and time for such a player, this discipline will fit if you like more action it is not necessary to play it,everything happens for a very long time especially on the bubble!

There is a lot of rake. About 10 tournaments and you're one buy in behind.

I think this is a very good variety of Sit & Go tournaments. Often I didn’t play them, but I tried them several times. If you learn how to play them correctly and accurately, I think you can earn a good bankroll, and then you can grow by limits. If you like these tournaments, I would advise you to pay them special attention.

These types of sit and go's are good for shorter and quicker pace but also if you want to just double your buy in.

i play 6 man d.ts most days an like quoted above, they help me lose the least bankroll but on the flip side grinding is very hard to make profit as you need to win about 7 in 10 to profit or 6 in 10 to break even due to buy ins!

theres some sites play as little as 10c a go with 1c buy in so even if your not rich with a massive bankroll even for 10£/$/euros your have 100 plus buyin s if you want to play that deep! another good thing i like is that on the smaller sites( i like ipoker network) you see same faces so after a little while you know the sharks an spot the fish quite quickly!

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These are also good if you don't really have a lot of time to play. Usually there will be two or three crazy players and a couple good ones. Play a good tight game and percentage of wins is good.
And when you get better at them, you can raise your buy in. Don't try to move up too fast.

Originally Posted by Roger1960

These are also good if you don't really have a lot of time to play. Usually there will be two or three crazy players and a couple good ones. Play a good tight game and percentage of wins is good.
And when you get better at them, you can raise your buy in. Don't try to move up too fast.

Agree with the time factor.

Sometimes I don’t have time to play a proper game. Not a hyper or super hyper fan. The DON’s (IMO) move along a bit faster.

When I played at Stars, they had plenty of buyin levels for DON’s. Not as many options at Party but still options.

Originally Posted by witfighter

Anyone think the double or nothing sit & go are worthy for grinding up my bankroll?

In my opinion no. The format is different from site to site, but on 888 poker its a hyper turbo format, where players start with only 500 chips, and blinds go up every 2 minutes. So there is very little play and a high luck to skill ratio.

Finally, and this is just my personal subjective opinion, I dont like tournament formats, where you just need to make it into the money. Its the same with satellites, and it create a weird dynamic, where at some point it become all about folding your way into the money.

Originally Posted by wpilson70

When I played at Stars, they had plenty of buyin levels for DON’s. Not as many options at Party but still options.

Stars dont have the traditional DON´s any more. Now its a format, where the top 5 finishers out of 10 players is payed their original buyin plus an amount for each chip.

Why not? These are good and easy tournaments with a high probability to double the bankroll.

Originally Posted by witfighter

Anyone think the double or nothing sit & go are worthy for grinding up my bankroll?

I like this format of the game, I think this is a very good opportunity to build a bankroll, the only negative is a big rake.

I don't know cannot make my mind up about them positive or negative.

This type of SNG to me, in particular, I do not like money what you can earn is not significant from my point of view but to start can be good there is less risk and maybe you can start a bankroll from this type of SNG

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Stars dont have the traditional DON´s any more. Now its a format, where the top 5 finishers out of 10 players is payed their original buyin plus an amount for each chip.

The key here is the opening statement in that paragraph you’ve referenced

When. I played at Stars.

Been off Stars for sometime now. Deposit issues.

Stuck at Party and 888 for now.

So far so good. Great for doing multiple at once

I have a game in Double( But Spin-and-go is a good thing.

I think definitely, I really like this kind of format. I think it's easier than a normal SNG. Its disadvantage is that it does not pay so well in some poker rooms

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They are good, but they went out of style in most of the rooms

I've played those, and found them less risky than regular sitngos, they are a good option for a baby bankroll, progress will be slower though. I recommend sitwching to regular sitngo's when you can

I think the double or nothing are a good way to build up your bankroll. I play these pretty tight when I do play them. Let the reckless players knock each other out. That strategy works pretty well most of the times. Of course when the pocket Aces get beat on a river suckout that changes everything!

what do u guys consider a baby BR i have about 500 should i switch from this format to something else?? or should i run it up to 1k or 5k first

Yes, I play a lot of double or nothing games.

On Intertops I prefer the four handed turbo games. They also have six handed turbo games, but I don't understand why anyone would want to work 33% more, eliminating three other players instead of two, for the same amount of pay. But the six handed games do seem to be the more popular.

Bet Online has a fast double-up (8 minute blind raising game) with eight starters. I don't know why, but I've had some awesome runs in that game. Sometimes as many as ten to fifteen wins between losses. Maybe more.

Neither of those sites offer standard ten minute blind games.

On Ignition, I prefer the triple-up nine-handed games because they are standard ten minute blind games where-as their double-up games are turbo with 5 minute blinds. I play the double-up SnGs occasionally, but I've amassed most of my bankroll by playing the triple-ups on that site.

So yes, the double-ups are a good way to increase your bankroll. If you're starting with a small bankroll, then the freerolls can also be beneficial.

Take care and may the poker gods favor your journey.

Originally Posted by Lugubrious

what do u guys consider a baby BR i have about 500 should i switch from this format to something else?? or should i run it up to 1k or 5k first

With a 500$ bankroll there is more profit potential in playing MTTs, if you have the skills and the time needed. If you have only played DoNs, you probably want to play some regular 9 man SnGs first to sort of bridge the gap, and a bit of cash game experience wont hurt you either.

These tournaments have very strong players, solid regulars, so the skill in these tournaments is incredibly high.

I started my bankroll building with these tournaments, but unfortunately now there is a very high probability of collusion in them, so I do not recommend playing them!

why do people say collusion when they dont win

I think this is a good option if you feel confident enough and if your bankroll allows it. But I would recommend you to play only in tournaments where the blinds grow at least every 8 or 10 minutes, at least.

Many top MTT players started their "poker career" with DoN. Or fifty50. This only...Can be very profitable. You can play very high volume of this tournaments. If you have a rakeback or you play for leaderboard, can be very profitable.
But this tournaments is very different. Your "mindset" must be different. Super heavy ICM, totally different game. Totally different poker.
I play like 2-3k per month. "Pure" DoN. Aslo other SnGs. The regs are dumb. I remember fifty50 in Stars. They was just the same. Very few of them are good. If we talk about 10-15 dollars buy in.

Any game can increase your bankroll, the main thing is to choose what suits You the most, you must understand the essence of this discipline, be able to properly adjust to it and enjoy the game. And the winnings will not be long in coming.

Double or nothing is not really double or nothing though. Spin&Go seems to be better if you do challenges, and limit the number of tournaments everyday.

Originally Posted by Syltan

These tournaments have very strong players, solid regulars, so the skill in these tournaments is incredibly high.

probably 3to4 players on every 6-man table is a regular... even in the micros... BUT the others are typically VERY BAD players.
The rake is very high on iPoker network.... and because of this you'll find less good players in them. So you get a much higher ratio of bad vs. good players in them (2 good, 4 bad). Still as others have mentioned, you need a high winrate to make anything.

If you're new to them, read up on strategy and then post Hands for analysis in the Tournament section.

They great

They are amazing to grow up your BK. Normally players there do it just for hobby and It is an opportunity to catch them all.

The variance at theory is low, but I am always scared to play DoN or fifty50 with short roll. I don't know exactly why. Maybe cuz you can not win much, but you can loose. Even compared to 18 man turbo. I can play this with 150 buy ins, but DoN at least 100. In theory with 50 buy ins should be OK, but I just can't feel comfortable. Bad memories maybe...
The rake is very important. As you can see at the low limits the rake is low in the most rooms. If it is high, this is pretty bad. Your edge is small, can not be big. Never...Never ever...
This fifty at Stars...At the micro limits you can see, except the high rake, they will "cut" some money at the end. If you play many tournaments, this will matters. I made an experiment. At 1.50 fifty. 24 tables Sit out. And I lost some $3-4, but I think I was "unlucky" . Very easy to make money from those. But you can't make "good" profit. Per hour...

They are regs at the micro limits. I think one per 6 max, two per 10 max. But they are pretty bad, weak. Maybe they are more there. But so bad, you can't see them. You know, they play DoN or fifty like normal SNG. This is very bad, this is a suicide. At the end they will loose. Even if they are good at normal SnG. I see him as fish. I can't see him. Or refuse to see him as reg.

Hi. definitely don't gamble your money on these tournaments. The times you will lose are more than the times you will win. I am telling you because I have lost several dollars. there

I kinda licked those on Stars back than. But they changed them to these 59fifty or something? And thats really confusing me

I would say it depends on the room because the only thing that could make your roll large from playing a lot of these is rakeback. You have win roughly 57% of time depending on rake which you may or may not be able to do but even you can get it in the low 60%s on wins you will not be making much. However, if there is decent rakeback on the site you are playing then you can profit from them. They do take a lot variance out of the equation compared to MTTs but your potential to make big money from them, even in the long run, is very close to zero.

i play quite a bit is double or nothing. But it is a hard way to make your bank roll grow. With the rake, you need about 60% win rate. That is actually difficult. Best strategy is to play very tight and watch the others players knock each other out.

DONs are great to play, just make sure you understand the ICM.

I play them a lot but I Lose the most time

Originally Posted by BatOneHat

i play quite a bit is double or nothing. But it is a hard way to make your bank roll grow. With the rake, you need about 60% win rate. That is actually difficult. Best strategy is to play very tight and watch the others players knock each other out.

I agree, that its not possible to get a high ROI in DoNs. But 60% is mathematically incorrect. Even if the poker site keep 10% of the buyin, you "only" need to cash in 55,55% to break even. And most poker sites do actually charge less rake for DoNs than for other tournament formats. If you can get away with 6% rake, the number drop to 53,2%. And then, as others have mentioned, there is rakeback deals on some sites and markets.

I play DONs almost exclusively in party poker. You can definitely build a bankroll on them. Unfortunately the tables don't fill up over $50 very often. The fields have quite a few regs but they aren't unbeatable by any stretch. I'm guessing they make money from rakeback

Thanks for the clarification.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

I agree, that its not possible to get a high ROI in DoNs. But 60% is mathematically incorrect. Even if the poker site keep 10% of the buyin, you "only" need to cash in 55,55% to break even. And most poker sites do actually charge less rake for DoNs than for other tournament formats. If you can get away with 6% rake, the number drop to 53,2%. And then, as others have mentioned, there is rakeback deals on some sites and markets.

Does anybody know a lecture where strategies are described to win those games? I often lose just as one of the latest before the money rolls (?)

It is a very good option to increase the bankroll without risking much. Good hands.