Being pessimistic (Poker philosophy)

[finaltable1]

What up final table?
Found a lot of nuggets in your answer, re-reading it looks like a chapter out of a book.
I never looked at it that way, @ how long will it take??? As DJ Khaled would say I'd say major key Wow!
You really hit the nail on the head I think, it's like there's no way I could win, I got winner's tilt for sure & being a freeroll whore doesn't help. I was just top 8 in the Casino Org freeroll , punted my stack in the end with 15 BB tryin to make limpers fold with Q10s got called by QKs but I think that's for another thread
Man you should write a book! Seriously! I'll take your advice to heart! Thanks for sharing!

Oh that one, I've won it several times, or was it Pokersites, not sure, maybe I've won both of them couple of times.

Well your 15bb during late stage of the game is still a nice stack, I often join tourneys during last minutes of late registration and start the game with like 10BB stack, feeling comfortable about it.

The problem some players have is the opinion told on many articles, it says that "you must play this way with 50-100BB stack, and you must play these hands if your stack is 20-40BB, and you must push all-in with such hands if your stack is 10-15BB"

It's a fail.

In my past experience I had several funny cases. I have most of the sounds turned off at the pokerstars, except for the alarm after the break, and I've changed that sound to a melody. Cause during the 5 min break I often go to the kitchen to make tea and want to hear the alarm sound when the break is over so I can quickly come back.. So once very late in $3.3 bounty tournament I fall asleep, cause it was late night and I was playing on TV laying in the bed. The last thing I remember is that I had approx 30BB stack. Then I wake up because of the melody, it was alarm after the break. I see that my stack is 1.8BB, yessss less than 2BB and just 24 players left in the tourney. So I've folded twice until I got some trashy Ace, all-in, tripple up, next hand KQ - all-in = 15BB stack, few hands later got pocket eights and all-in in front of me, called it and won vs AK, so I've finished in 5th place.

Another funny case is when I've won the 1st place after entering the final table with just 6bb stack. For more than 1 hour I had no hand to play with, not even something like 89s. Trash and garbage like 83 or Q4 during 1.5 hours, so I've folded again and again, just because of the payjumps and because I was observing all of the remaining tables and enjoyed how people been busting each other with loose all-ins. So even after I've entered that final table, 2 players left before my first double up. It was something like AK vs pocket pair and bigger stacks have won 2 times. Those players didn't care about ICM and my 6bb stack. In their case I would play carefully even pocket aces, just because there is 6bb stack at the table. So step-by-step I've built a stack there and I was dominating the table during 4max, all 3 of my opponents been folding to my loose and constant open bets, because their stacks been equally small and each one of them wanted to win more money and bust out in 3rd or 2nd place.

The key to success in poker(and in life) is to think objectively. There is no room for "This is what I like and This is how I feel and I believe it will work" Such theories are not based on facts, it's subjective opinion, and nothing else. Objectively anything can happen during the next hand or 3 hands later. Objectively you can have a chance to win right now with QTos and objectively you may be dealt pocket aces 3 times in a row 10 minutes later. If you keep thinking objectively than you're controlling the tilt, when you begin to think subjectively then tilt controls you. After the bad beat, when you're down to 5BB after losing 40BB stack, subjectively you feel like it's over, like here is nothing you can do now. But objectively there is such thing as arithmetic progression 5+5 =10, 10+10 = 20, 20+20 = 40, and don't forget about the antes and limpers, in Just 3 hands you might be back to business with good stack...

Ask yourself what will you prefer?
A) to be in the start of tournament with 150BB stack while average is 150BB and have 2 hours of late registration in front of you + 2 more hours till the money.
or
B) to be in the tournament in the money, with some profit and with 5BB stack while average is 40BB?

Isn't case B) is a great time for poker?

If you'll think about it, then probably next time with 15BB stack you will save it for a better future than risking it all for a hand like QT

GL I'm out of here :heeeellll

 

[ToNy70929]

I always try to enter the game with optimism, we are in the mood that everything will work out. However, after unsuccessful games, which often happens to me, I fall into a pessimistic state

 

[infonazar]

First of all, I am always positive and optimistic. I try to be patient and make the right decisions. In fact, I just follow my strategy and enjoy the game.

 

[Alekxandrovi3]

There are professional players who look depressed when they are in the top 10 players and those who won the hand with all in. I do not understand what is the reason, but I think that this is normal.

 

[kowrip]

Scoring a big cash in a tournament requires a tremendous amount of persistence. You really have to make sure you learn something from your losses because you will have many more losses than cashes. The ironic thing is that the better you are playing, the more likely you are going to bust out on a bad beat. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. A good player is going to get as many chips into the pot as possible when he/she has a big edge. Just keep at it. It's not a sprint, but a marathon. Keep learning and reviewing your play afterwards. If you can confidently say that you wouldn't change any decision you made or at least you didn't make any major mistakes, then you are a winner regardless of the outcome.

 

[azforlife]

Scoring a big cash in a tournament requires a tremendous amount of persistence. You really have to make sure you learn something from your losses because you will have many more losses than cashes. The ironic thing is that the better you are playing, the more likely you are going to bust out on a bad beat. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. A good player is going to get as many chips into the pot as possible when he/she has a big edge. Just keep at it. It's not a sprint, but a marathon. Keep learning and reviewing your play afterwards. If you can confidently say that you wouldn't change any decision you made or at least you didn't make any major mistakes, then you are a winner regardless of the outcome.

Love this approach! Devoid from the outcome, only way to go for the long terms, I wholeheartedly agree! I'm definitely learning a LOT!! LOL trick is on applying what you've learned when similar spots arise! Thanks for sharing

 

[azforlife]

Oh that one, I've won it several times, or was it Pokersites, not sure, maybe I've won both of them couple of times.

Well your 15bb during late stage of the game is still a nice stack, I often join tourneys during last minutes of late registration and start the game with like 10BB stack, feeling comfortable about it.

The problem some players have is the opinion told on many articles, it says that "you must play this way with 50-100BB stack, and you must play these hands if your stack is 20-40BB, and you must push all-in with such hands if your stack is 10-15BB"

It's a fail.

In my past experience I had several funny cases. I have most of the sounds turned off at the PokerStars, except for the alarm after the break, and I've changed that sound to a melody. Cause during the 5 min break I often go to the kitchen to make tea and want to hear the alarm sound when the break is over so I can quickly come back.. So once very late in $3.3 bounty tournament I fall asleep, cause it was late night and I was playing on TV laying in the bed. The last thing I remember is that I had approx 30BB stack. Then I wake up because of the melody, it was alarm after the break. I see that my stack is 1.8BB, yessss less than 2BB and just 24 players left in the tourney. So I've folded twice until I got some trashy Ace, all-in, tripple up, next hand KQ - all-in = 15BB stack, few hands later got pocket eights and all-in in front of me, called it and won vs AK, so I've finished in 5th place.

Another funny case is when I've won the 1st place after entering the final table with just 6bb stack. For more than 1 hour I had no hand to play with, not even something like 89s. Trash and garbage like 83 or Q4 during 1.5 hours, so I've folded again and again, just because of the payjumps and because I was observing all of the remaining tables and enjoyed how people been busting each other with loose all-ins. So even after I've entered that final table, 2 players left before my first double up. It was something like AK vs pocket pair and bigger stacks have won 2 times. Those players didn't care about ICM and my 6bb stack. In their case I would play carefully even pocket aces, just because there is 6bb stack at the table. So step-by-step I've built a stack there and I was dominating the table during 4max, all 3 of my opponents been folding to my loose and constant open bets, because their stacks been equally small and each one of them wanted to win more money and bust out in 3rd or 2nd place.

The key to success in poker(and in life) is to think objectively. There is no room for "This is what I like and This is how I feel and I believe it will work" Such theories are not based on facts, it's subjective opinion, and nothing else. Objectively anything can happen during the next hand or 3 hands later. Objectively you can have a chance to win right now with QTos and objectively you may be dealt pocket aces 3 times in a row 10 minutes later. If you keep thinking objectively than you're controlling the tilt, when you begin to think subjectively then tilt controls you. After the bad beat, when you're down to 5BB after losing 40BB stack, subjectively you feel like it's over, like here is nothing you can do now. But objectively there is such thing as arithmetic progression 5+5 =10, 10+10 = 20, 20+20 = 40, and don't forget about the antes and limpers, in Just 3 hands you might be back to business with good stack...

Ask yourself what will you prefer?
A) to be in the start of tournament with 150BB stack while average is 150BB and have 2 hours of late registration in front of you + 2 more hours till the money.
or
B) to be in the tournament in the money, with some profit and with 5BB stack while average is 40BB?

Isn't case B) is a great time for poker?

If you'll think about it, then probably next time with 15BB stack you will save it for a better future than risking it all for a hand like QT

GL I'm out of here :heeeellll

Hey bro
Really enjoyed reading your answer!!
I agree! For e.g.. if your bankroll is a $100 & cashing is $25 then any ICM shove will be minus EV from just a survival point of view. I also find that playing right does favor me in jumping pay ladders but in the long run, I'm probably shoving A hi, Kxs there & maybe Jts for the same reason that most people agree with you [emoji23][emoji39]
Also the alarm was a key tip I've started falling asleep more recently, playing for my bed atm until I buy a comfy chair!
So I agree with your strategy for the near future & will deviate in the long run!
Thanks for sharing bro

 

[Vorem]

I am a pessimist in life) poker only confirms that I am right)

 

[thomaspen2]

Dependent of your own wisdom

We are always thinking and thinking how would be our life, If we are such as a profesional player, yep, I would like to be, like a musian that want to be a star, However when we just see the real world, we are not like this thoughts. Poker is just a game, like a life with rules and other kind of tricks, we want to be realist, pesimist, positive thinking, all of that just have to be get, how like it is, just a game, the game sais PLAY, all is a game nothing is serius, that is the most powerful philosophy.

 

[Arthur ZM]

I don’t think that poker teaches us to be pesimists, most likely it teaches us to be realistic. One must be able to accept victories and defeats. And everyone probably experienced a suppressed state.

 

[Lula1390]

We are always thinking and thinking how would be our life, If we are such as a profesional player, yep, I would like to be, like a musian that want to be a star, However when we just see the real world, we are not like this thoughts. Poker is just a game, like a life with rules and other kind of tricks, we want to be realist, pesimist, positive thinking, all of that just have to be get, how like it is, just a game, the game sais PLAY, all is a game nothing is serius, that is the most powerful philosophy.

I agree with you to some extent, but sometimes we make the game part of our lives, like when we have that perfect hand and lose or win an unexpected big pot, you can't turn the key off the table without some kind of learning that We bring it to life.

 

[thomaspen2]

I agree with you to some extent, but sometimes we make the game part of our lives, like when we have that perfect hand and lose or win an unexpected big pot, you can't turn the key off the table without some kind of learning that We bring it to life.

Sometimes we expect a lot of one situation when it arrives is not like we would it want to be, better is to no expect nothing just play, live and be