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Hey Guys, i know that i am a good Pokerplayer and having good scores the last weeks...., with how many buyins should i play, i found out that 100 times is not good enough at a bankroll with 2k $ , would love to hear some tipps. Should i stop playing sattelites for the bigger tournaments and just focus on the mtt's to 22$ with 100 buyins or should i just go up to 150x buyins?

Don't know if its allowed, but at my Twitter u see some hits from my last 2 weeks, meanwhile my holidays from work. (Tiefgang23)
Greetz Tiefgang
 
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Satellites dont reduce the bankroll requirement or at least not in a significant way. So if the target tournament is a 55$ MTT, you should still have a 5.500$ bankroll or at least something close to that amount. Otherwise you are essentially shot taking, and if you do that to often, it will increase your swings quite a lot. Also 100 BIs is actually quite aggressive for MTTs, unless you are always playing in small fields with 100 or less people. It will tend to work better, if you play a range of buyins with in your example 22$ being the highest. Like maybe 5,5-22$, so that your average i.s closer to 10$ rather than 20$.
 
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I think you shouldn't stop playing the satellites, if you say that you are a good player trust yourself and your ability to get good results playing the satellites, the thing with the satellites is that you can get a lot for little investment, but I also think that it is not bad to risk at some point and play the tournament directly, but as long as you take care of your bankroll and do not exceed your limits
 
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For satellites, you need at least 300 BI. In general, I never play satellites and I don't see the point of playing them.
 
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Satellites dont reduce the bankroll requirement or at least not in a significant way. So if the target tournament is a 55$ MTT, you should still have a 5.500$ bankroll or at least something close to that amount. Otherwise you are essentially shot taking, and if you do that to often, it will increase your swings quite a lot. Also 100 BIs is actually quite aggressive for MTTs, unless you are always playing in small fields with 100 or less people. It will tend to work better, if you play a range of buyins with in your example 22$ being the highest. Like maybe 5,5-22$, so that your average i.s closer to 10$ rather than 20$.


LOL fundiver, I've played $55s with a $500 BR before! :p

I'm very far from "normal" though. :p

I can elaborate, but essentially I have figured out (via game selection) that I really only need about 20BIs as my cushion. I will withdrawal (often) down to 20BIs (about $400-$500) and I haven't "busted" a single time (I'm up $4,900). :)
 
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I can elaborate, but essentially I have figured out (via game selection) that I really only need about 20BIs as my cushion. I will withdrawal (often) down to 20BIs (about $400-$500) and I haven't "busted" a single time (I'm up $4,900). :)

Well thats good for you. But it does not mean, its a fundamentally sound strategy, that should be recommended to others.
 
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For satellites, you need at least 300 BI. In general, I never play satellites and I don't see the point of playing them.

100+ buyins is fine as long as you know you are shot taking when you earn a ticket into the bigger events, you won't be rebuying - unless you have earned more than one ticket.

The point of satellites is to earn a buyin into a larger event that is beyond your bankroll. Example: playing a satellite that offers 10 tickets into a 33.00 buyin 30k tourney - and your bankroll is only $600.00. Your paying 3 bucks to attempt to earn a ticket into a tourney that you can't afford.

However - I pretty much agreed with your point of view - before my bankroll was large enough to play in sattys myself. I waited until I had 500+ buyins for the satellites because I didn't want to feel like I was 'wasting' my BR on events just to earn a ticket.
Now I play them every day I play poker.
 
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Hey Guys, i know that i am a good Pokerplayer and having good scores the last weeks...., with how many buyins should i play, i found out that 100 times is not good enough at a bankroll with 2k $ , would love to hear some tipps. Should i stop playing sattelites for the bigger tournaments and just focus on the mtt's to 22$ with 100 buyins or should i just go up to 150x buyins?

Don't know if its allowed, but at my Twitter u see some hits from my last 2 weeks, meanwhile my holidays from work. (Tiefgang23)
Greetz Tiefgang
Experience has shown that a 100 buy-in bankroll best aligns your interests in increasing your income and reducing the risk of bankruptcy. Don't play a tournament if you don't have 100 buy-ins for it.Never invest more than 1% of your bankroll in a tournament or sattelite.
 
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Experience has shown that a 100 buy-in bankroll best aligns your interests in increasing your income and reducing the risk of bankruptcy. Don't play a tournament if you don't have 100 buy-ins for it.Never invest more than 1% of your bankroll in a tournament or sattelite.


Never?

No matter what the MTT conditions are?

No matter how much an individual's game and experience grows?

Never?

Are you sure?:rolleyes:
 
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stay within bankroll limits.
personally I stopped playing satellites a while ago because I can't get in, I feel like it's a money drain.
 
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I would focus on the cash tournaments rather than the satilites. They are fun but I do better at the tournaments n I like them better.
 
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One hundred buy-ins is too little for playing satellites !!!
 
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Never?

No matter what the MTT conditions are?

No matter how much an individual's game and experience grows?

Never?

Are you sure?:rolleyes:

I used your tactic with my 30 dollar bankroll on sportsbet the other day to buy into a $16.50 5k event at the very last minute. There were 10 places to ITM and I squeaked in. :)

So the answer to your question above is - well - sometimes when you see an advantage to take. :D:D:D;)
 
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I used your tactic with my 30 dollar bankroll on sportsbet the other day to buy into a $16.50 5k event at the very last minute. There were 10 places to ITM and I squeaked in. :)

So the answer to your question above is - well - sometimes when you see an advantage to take. :D:D:D;)


Exactly!!!!

Well done! :D:D:D
 
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You only need 1 buy in to play
 
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You need to know that poker is develops very fast. We got a forums, we got a twitch streamers, youtube streamers, a lot of books, a lot of material to learn. Level of players is groving and groving, so oldschool vision with 100 buy ins is not good.

I preffering ( and many pros) a minimum 500 buy ins the most comfortable is for me get a 1000 buy ins. Then i do not scare anything. From my expierence ( im playing since 10 years) when i got a x100 buy ins a lost a bankroll, when i got a 150x buy ins i lost bankrol at all. To many bad beats, to many sick actions.

The new way bankrol managment in 2021 in my opinion is from 500 to 1000 buy ins ;)
 
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You need to know that poker is develops very fast. We got a forums, we got a twitch streamers, youtube streamers, a lot of books, a lot of material to learn. Level of players is groving and groving, so oldschool vision with 100 buy ins is not good.

I preffering ( and many pros) a minimum 500 buy ins the most comfortable is for me get a 1000 buy ins. Then i do not scare anything. From my expierence ( im playing since 10 years) when i got a x100 buy ins a lost a bankroll, when i got a 150x buy ins i lost bankrol at all. To many bad beats, to many sick actions.

The new way bankrol managment in 2021 in my opinion is from 500 to 1000 buy ins ;)

LOL!!! 1000 buy ins?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Talk about a drag/grind!

I don't know if you are referring to cash or MTT play, but perhaps a valuable exercise would be to figure out a method of playing that does NOT require you to have 1000 buy ins. Do you understand what I'm suggesting?

For example, I'm an MTT player and I have figured out a daily schedule which provides me an ITM% of over 40% and an ROI of over 50%. This formula relieves my BRM requirements and allows me to play pretty much anything I want.

I couldn't imagine only allowing myself to play $5 buyins with my over $5,000 BR, LOL!
 
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LOL!!! 1000 buy ins?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Talk about a drag/grind!

For part time players with another source of income than poker I agree, that 1.000 buy ins would be completely overkill. For for a full time pro it could make sense, since they need to withdraw money every month to pay their bills, and that can surely get quite stressfull, if you dont have a massive buffer. But maybe its more reasonable to measure it in month or years of living costs rather than buyins.

For example, I'm an MTT player and I have figured out a daily schedule which provides me an ITM% of over 40% and an ROI of over 50%.

This sounds like either a sunshine run or a brag. But if you have really seen this kind of results over a significant sample like 5.000 MTTs, then obviously good for you :)
 
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You only need 1 buy in to play

Probably meant when you want to lose it all, as you lose, then again deposit one bain.
Or as an alternative game for beer.

And if this comment is taken seriously, it is not relevant.

For me, more or less 300 entries in tournaments is considered the norm
 
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For part time players with another source of income than poker I agree, that 1.000 buy ins would be completely overkill. For for a full time pro it could make sense, since they need to withdraw money every month to pay their bills, and that can surely get quite stressfull, if you dont have a massive buffer. But maybe its more reasonable to measure it in month or years of living costs rather than buyins.



This sounds like either a sunshine run or a brag. But if you have really seen this kind of results over a significant sample like 5.000 MTTs, then obviously good for you :)


I'm providing an example that there is another way. ;)

edit: FYI, I'm at 3,000 MTTs and counting. :)
 
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wow very good banking I would withdraw half and give me a little taste I would buy a clothing store, but what you should play sports bets or try to play in casinos you should try one thing and another or try to play in other rooms. Cheers :)
 
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I can play sit and go's comfortably with as little as 15-20 buy ins. However you need more to multi table. 100 buy-in is often a rule that is stated. I agree with fundiver that you can play with less buy-ins and balance your tournament selection with some smaller buy ins, as well as some style that you will be cashing in a larger percent of the time. Playing 18 man to 180 man tourneys you will ITM significantly more often and can still play in the large MTT without having to have thousands in your 'roll.
 
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If the satellites do not give anything for a long time. It is logical that you should not continue to spend money, time and energy. You are a successful player, keep going where it turns out.
 
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