Wrong move 1st hand?

[silverfox432]

Or just unlucky?

HAND #1
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poker stars, $2.20 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: 1,500 (75 bb)
SB: 1,500 (75 bb)
BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (UTG): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)
CO: 1,500 (75 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with K

K

Hero raises to 80, 4 folds, CO raises to 140, 3 folds, Hero raises to 1,500 and is all-in, CO calls 1,360 and is all-in

Flop: (3,030) J

J

8

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (3,030) T

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (3,030) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 3,030 pot
Hero showed K

K

(two pairs, Kings and Jacks) and lost (-1,500 net)
CO showed T

Q

(a flush, Queen high) and won 3,030 (1,530 net)

 

[MaxxxW]

Well not a mistake at all but u have du calculate that the risk even with KK is like 70:30 and especially for tournament play you should think twice risking everything for one Board

 

[Jillychemung]

For this buy-in level, if you can get all the chips in w/ KK preflop then it isn't a bad play.

 

[dj11]

Getting it all in here was not such a huge mistake, in fact not really a mistake at all, but consider this;

If you had tempered the hand with some pot control, you wouldn't have lost your whole stack to the toyota (4 runner).

As this was the first hand, why not approach it a bit differently in that you might control your risk a bit, and thus enjoy the game a bit more, it the total pot only gets to maybe 1/3 your starting stack. OK, 1/2

 

[cardsDontMatter]

Gotta agree with DJ... you asked for all 5 cards and got them. Then I would go right back to the table and Note the asswipe that called with QTo as a player who may, in other games, give you all his chips.

This play is something I see on Final Tables all the time, and the adage, "win a small pot or lose a big one" fits so well in so many places.

So, as dj says, pot control is the job of the person with the best hand... you gave this away.

 

[Steveg1976]

I don't mind that you got it all in as a huge favorite here. In a $2.00 tournament people will look you up with all kinds of garbage so that is okay. The play speaks for itself that you were called by Q10.

On the flip side, Tournaments are about survival and you can't win on the first hand but you can lose. so maybe raising a little smaller preflop for your 3bet to like 300-400 might be a better idea in the future.

 

[KardKlub]

Seens he was going to call you with anything anyway, the flop would have just tempted him more. So what would you have done after the flop if you just called his raise? Thats how you know if you played it bad. All in is just Lotto, you maybe ahead at the start but it's along way to the finish when you elect to show all 5 cards.

Just to mention
Calling people all in with short stacks can prove a bad move too as if the flop didn't suit them they may have folded and not beat you with an amazing comeback flush, trip 2's or a straight.

something to think about

 

[FatBasset]

The other guy is not a good player and there is no way he would have folded after the flop if he was calling all in pre-flop. However, the thing toremember with KK is that any ace is only a moderate underdog. Personally, I don't like to push with kings until the flop show s no ace.

 

[gns2003]

Technically, you should follow the advice of the players who are far better than I am on here and only reraise to 1/3 of pot. That is the right way to play. But if it were me, I would do exactly what you had done in this specific case. For $2, you will get a call by a bunch of hands that you will dominate. I find the rest of the tournament much easier to play with a fast double and a better chance to control the cash. If you only go with a 1/3 stack raise and villian calls, then what do you do post flop. Chances are high that he's going all in on that flop (very LAG to begin with) and you would generally call with that board. Or you could fold post flop, but thats an invite to get run over again and again by people who wont respect your raises.
Better luck next time.

 

[baudib1]

WTF, this thread is tilting me.

KK positively crushes any hand other than AA. 4-bet size is a little large but who cares. Getting the money in this good is great and almost never happens. WP NH sir.

 

[Joe Hogg]

you shouldnt even post that question no it is not the wrong move. You will take his money 9 times out of 10. Keep putting it in ahead and you'll be ahead.

 

[WurlyQ]

I think you raise to something like 500 there. This hand just turned into a bad beat because they called with garbage but in most instances, I would think people would fold.

By raising to something like 500 and shoving the flop, you reduce your risk and get called more often which will often lead to a bigger profit over the long run. Of course, if you know you're going to get called, shoving preflop with KK is fine.