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shinedown.45

shinedown.45

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This was the very first hand, and I have no reads.
pokerstars Game #6542404148: Tournament #33229335, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/10/06 - 18:37:06 (ET)
Table '33229335 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sticks6461 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: saballa (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Ace Maiden (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: felline (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Vitamyn C (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: thegooch15 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: flopzilla (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Orion469 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: revelator44 (1500 in chips)
saballa: posts small blind 10
Ace Maiden: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Jh Jc]
felline: folds
Vitamyn C: calls 20
thegooch15: folds
flopzilla: folds
Orion469: raises 40 to 60
revelator44: folds
sticks6461: folds
saballa: calls 50
Ace Maiden: calls 40
Vitamyn C: raises 340 to 400
Orion469: calls 340
saballa: raises 1100 to 1500 and is all-in
Ace Maiden: folds
Vitamyn C: calls 1100 and is all-in
Orion469: calls 1100 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [2h Ah Tc]
*** TURN *** [2h Ah Tc] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [2h Ah Tc 4s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saballa: shows [Td Th] (three of a kind, Tens)
Vitamyn C: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
Orion469: shows [Jh Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
saballa collected 4560 from pot
saballa said, "ty gg"
 
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I would of folded your either up agaisnt a bigger PP or atleast 2 overcards. Best case scenario your 50-50
 
NineLions

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Yeah, I think I'm out rather than call 340.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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This is about how it should have gone.

Dealt to Orion469 [Jh Jc]
blah
Vitamyn C: calls 20
blah
blah
Orion469: raises 80 to 100
blah
blah
blah
Vitamyn C: raises 340 to 400
Orion469: folds
 
Schatzdog

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I totally agree with Dorkus. JJ are a good hand but can be vulnerable. Just see how many "JJ the trouble hand" threads are on CC.

By making a bigger raise, as DM suggests, you can really thin the field.
Then when you get re-raised it also makes it an easier fold becasue you really know you are beaten.
 
Bombjack

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Limp-reraise in early position usually means they have Aces or Kings. It's a Limit move really for increasing pot size, but some people do it in NL. So fold after the big re-raise.

Don't call 2 all-ins with JJ if you want to be favourite to win the pot - your only hope is they both have medium pairs smaller than Jacks. Calling even one all-in is pretty marginal and is usually a coinflip at best.
 
blankoblanco

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Limp-reraise in early position usually means they have Aces or Kings.

Absolutely, especially in this stage of the tournament. Not saying this is going to be true every single time, but it's true a surprisingly large amount of the time. I'd have had to somewhat reluctantly fold to the limp re-raise here. Jacks look good because they're face cards, but, as mentioned, they are vulnerable as hell. As soon as he makes that re-raise you're actually really likely to be dominated and even if not, how far are you going to be willing to go if an overcard hits the flop and your opponent stays aggressive? What about 2 overcards?

I don't want this to seem like it's super results-oriented... folding a hand as seemingly good as JJ in situations like this was hard for me to get used to, but to date I've done it often and, when I've gotten the chance to see what I was up against, the great majority of the time it turns out it was the right decision.
 
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