Was this really bad play or unlucky?

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pokerstars Game #18059627094: Tournament #91648049, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/06/11 - 02:00:55 (ET)
Table '91648049 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: thing93001 (1880 in chips)
Seat 4: hoxielinden (5585 in chips)
Seat 5: bigslugo (2880 in chips)
Seat 6: djgolfcan (2155 in chips)
Seat 7: jace6387 (1000 in chips)
thing93001: posts small blind 50
hoxielinden: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [9d Ah]
bigslugo said, "66"
bigslugo: folds
bigslugo said, "nh"
djgolfcan: raises 250 to 350
djgolfcan said, "ty"
jace6387: raises 650 to 1000 and is all-in
thing93001: folds
hoxielinden: folds
djgolfcan: calls 650
*** FLOP *** [Kd Kh 3h]
djgolfcan said, "good fold, both times"
*** TURN *** [Kd Kh 3h] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [Kd Kh 3h 5d] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djgolfcan: shows [9d Ah] (a pair of Kings)
jace6387: shows [Jc Qs] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
jace6387 collected 2150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2150 | Rake 0
Board [Kd Kh 3h 5d Jh]
Seat 1: thing93001 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: hoxielinden (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: bigslugo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: djgolfcan showed [9d Ah] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: jace6387 (button) showed [Jc Qs] and won (2150) with two pair, Kings and Jacks

then, the very next hand

PokerStars Game #18059638198: Tournament #91648049, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/06/11 - 02:01:57 (ET)
Table '91648049 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: thing93001 (1980 in chips)
Seat 4: hoxielinden (5435 in chips)
Seat 5: bigslugo (2780 in chips)
Seat 6: djgolfcan (1155 in chips)
Seat 7: jace6387 (2150 in chips)
bigslugo: posts small blind 50
djgolfcan: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [Ac Kc]
jace6387: calls 100
thing93001: folds
hoxielinden: folds
bigslugo: calls 50
djgolfcan: raises 300 to 400
jace6387: calls 300
bigslugo: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 6h 2h]
djgolfcan: bets 755 and is all-in
jace6387: calls 755
*** TURN *** [8d 6h 2h] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [8d 6h 2h 6s] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djgolfcan: shows [Ac Kc] (a pair of Sixes)
jace6387: shows [Jd Qc] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
jace6387 collected 2410 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2410 | Rake 0
Board [8d 6h 2h 6s Qh]
Seat 1: thing93001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hoxielinden (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bigslugo (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: djgolfcan (big blind) showed [Ac Kc] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 7: jace6387 showed [Jd Qc] and won (2410) with two pair, Queens and Sixes
 
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CfPoker

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Hand #1: Yeah, unlucky. Not quite sure what the villian was doing pushing with QJ but your call was fair enough.

Hand #2: Get it all in preflop. Your stack at this point is 1055. There's already 400 in the pot. Just winning that puts you up to 1455. Your raise is pretty much pot committing you whatever flop you see and AK isn't strong enough for that. By all means make this move with QQ+, but with AK just get it all in pre flop.
 
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Hand #1: Yeah, unlucky. Not quite sure what the villian was doing pushing with QJ but your call was fair enough.

Hand #2: Get it all in preflop. Your stack at this point is 1055. There's already 400 in the pot. Just winning that puts you up to 1455. Your raise is pretty much pot committing you whatever flop you see and AK isn't strong enough for that. By all means make this move with QQ+, but with AK just get it all in pre flop.

Agree with 1, but I think he played 2 fine. If you are going to put all of your chips in, there is no real difference between getting it all in in 1 go, or in 2 parts. AKs is a hand that I would like to get as many of opponents chips as possible, and raising, then pushing the flop regardless would probably get more chips than just the blinds.
 
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#1 raise less say 275 it accomplishes the same thing and when villian shoves a9o is 60% fav vs a random hand so calling is ok.(but is also read dependent) if villian is is a nit with a super tight range he probably has you crushed so fold.
#2 shove pf you have fe
 
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032483

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i agree with cf...you gotta get all in with that ak preflop...i'd take a 50% increase to my stack any day of the week as opposed to scaring off any prospectives fishies. Truth is with as bad a call as that guy made he may have called you preflop anyways.
 
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Agree with 1, but I think he played 2 fine. If you are going to put all of your chips in, there is no real difference between getting it all in in 1 go, or in 2 parts. AKs is a hand that I would like to get as many of opponents chips as possible, and raising, then pushing the flop regardless would probably get more chips than just the blinds.

1) There is a difference. He's in position, and we're pushing the flop no matter what. He could have folded the QJ on the flop unless he hit. In that case, we're getting all the money in when we're likely to lose (he outflops us) and less of it in when we're likely to win (he misses the flop). Just our luck, he's an idiot and he didn't fold when he missed, but I wouldn't assume that.

2) Because the blinds are 1/10 of our stack, I don't mind getting all folds here. That's roughly a 25% stack increase with no risk. Also, I wouldn't assume that the loose UTG limper is going to fold to an all-in.

Looking at this from a results-oriented perspective, he probably would have called the preflop all-in, which means it didn't matter which way you played it. In general, I prefer the shove.
 
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chrismonk123

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1. i personaly would have raised by the blinds and seen what he had. if he reraised fold and run with your chips you have as you have nada. plus wouldnt have raised so agressively pre flop with A 9 unsuited.

2. should have been all in preflop. chip stack low he woulda thought twice about calling. i know ive often folded q j because if i called and lost would damage my ability to reach final table and win tourney,
 
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marble

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really bad play.

cmon now, it's like me saying i reraised all in w/ AA then 46s called and i lost.....did i make a stupid play or just unlucky?

just be happy you got all in with the better hand both times. you're doing something right. now if your PLAY was lucky then you need to start studying.

yes it sucks that your small advantage did not hold up, but as long as there's no cheating going on with the sites, it will fair a lot better with more volume.
 
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