PS 3.40 S&G - Strange Turn/River Bet Size

Steveg1976

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Early so no reads on anyone this is the first hand that I have played in this S&G.


pokerstars Game #18054455365: Tournament #91623189, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/06/10 - 20:50:41 (ET)
Table '91623189 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Steveg1976 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: rock-riffer (1370 in chips)
Seat 3: CSharpGuy (1360 in chips)
Seat 4: myownwitness (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: NickleBoy (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: Minhstar444 (1840 in chips)
Seat 7: toonsta (1350 in chips)
Seat 8: IHaveaheart (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: BallsandJts (1640 in chips)
toonsta: posts small blind 10
IHaveaheart: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Steveg1976 [Jc As]
BallsandJts: folds
Steveg1976: raises 60 to 80
rock-riffer: folds
CSharpGuy: folds
myownwitness: calls 80
NickleBoy: folds
Minhstar444: folds
toonsta: folds
IHaveaheart: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 7d 7c]
Steveg1976: bets 100
myownwitness: calls 100
*** TURN *** [5h 7d 7c] [7h]
Steveg1976: checks I don't want to get re-raised off a winning hand and want to possibly induce a bluff from a weaker hand in this spot.
myownwitness: bets 225 bet isn't big enough to convince me he has me beat yet
Steveg1976: calls 225
*** RIVER *** [5h 7d 7c 7h] [8c]
Steveg1976: checks
myownwitness: bets 455 this amount is just under half his stack to this point (to lazy to the actual math). which seems like a scared bluff
Steveg1976: ???

Do I call and expect to see air or am I beat?
 
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i wouldn't call here w A high, just for the sake of others seeing it. could just be a half-pot bet asking for a call. any pp wins, why would he risk half his stack on a bluff? You only beat a bluff.

I dunno though, you'd think that a pp may have raised the flop. Now I'm confused. Must think more.

Christ, now I'm talking myself into a call too.

no way. 1100 chips is plenty. play a better hand.
 
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As played fold to the turn bet. He called your flop bet, then bet out when you checked the turn. He probably has a pp of some kind, and even if he doesn't you should give him credit for one as you only have A high.

As for what I'd have done differently: I'd have folded preflop. I don't even think twice about throwing away AJo in EP on the first level of one of these things. You usually get a caller or three, and being out of position in a raised pot with a marginal (and potentially downright dangerous) hand is not something I enjoy.
 
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Do I call and expect to see air or am I beat?

Complete guess to be honest. His bet could be interpreted as a scared bluff, or as a value bet

Agree with ^^^^^. AJ could be the best hand you'll be dealt in the SNG, but there is a time and a place, and early position, early blinds isn't it. You can't bet enough to get people to drop connected/paint/small pairs without dumping off chips to a reraise (which will have you beat) so you'll have no idea where you are post flop. So safer just to fold.

Post flop you are in a muddle - if you're calling the turn because you think you are ahead then why are you considering folding now? If you thought he didn't have the goods, why just call and not raise? You should have folded then, you've got a 3rd opportunity to fold now, he's called preflop and post flop, and bet out twice into the initial raiser so either he's got it, or is making a very brave and creative move - more often than not, he's got it, so fold.
 
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For the record I called and he turned over KQ and I took the pot. What stuck out to me in this hand was how strange the bet sizes were at the time that made me not believe he hand anything.
 
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All I can add is that you should make your flop c-bet more. If not pot-sized, then close to it. With 190 in the pot, I mighta bet 160 or so.
 
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1/2 pot bet is my standard post flop bet hu, i rarely deviate from it whether I flopped a monster or not. I have found that induce a lot of draws to make mistakes calling, and it helps me to be deceptive against better opponents.
 
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