NL Holdem, $11, 427 entries, 90 left, on bb. After flop what do u do???

Ronaldadio

Ronaldadio

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Hi guys, another interesting one.

I play it bit by bit and let me know your move - specifically after the flop. I had limited reads on the players as I had been moved to the table about 5 hands ago. They seem to be playing their cards, no aggression - possibly passive.

Another thing worth noting, top 60 paid and average stack about 11k

Here we go...

***** Hand History for Game 5829020993 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny: 32633149 Level: 6 Blinds(200/400) - Sunday, April 01, 11:49:51 ET 2007
Table Regular (969344) Table #7 (real money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Daimona ( 16,680 )
Seat 3: RACERBOY88 ( 10,200 )
Seat 4: mastermark10 ( 39,386 )
Seat 5: Ronaldadio ( 5,120 )
Seat 7: stephend888 ( 12,630 )
Seat 10: corder222 ( 21,540 )
Seat 2: YarekBalear ( 11,720 )
Seat 9: kandzior ( 31,760 )
Seat 6: legster ( 6,500 )
Seat 8: Cadiff ( 23,005 )
Trny: 32633149 Level: 6
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ronaldadio [ Ts 7s ]
legster calls [400]
stephend888 folds
Cadiff folds
kandzior folds
corder222 folds
Daimona folds
YarekBalear calls [400]
RACERBOY88 calls [400]
mastermark10 calls [200]
Ronaldadio checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 3c, Tc ]
mastermark10 checks
Ronaldadio ??? your move.
 
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Make a 1,000 or 1,200 Value bet to see where i stand,, buck
 
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As everyone seemed just to limp perhaps a blind + half bet / half the pot raise (600-800)

remembering you may have someone with a J9 or a flush draw willing to pay up to see the next card and with a shortish stack you need to be able to make future moves that will count (have impact etc)
 
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Top pair, outside chance of straight and/or flush. You have to bet big here, if only to get the flush and straight chasers to fold.
 
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Bet enough hoping to get straight and flush draws to make incorrect call. Remember, you want them to make a mistake not necessarily fold. An 800 bet here seems right since pot is 1200, unless someone has both draws (ex. QcJc), but you won't get anyone to fold that hand anyway. The only real risk is if you're outkicked, betting will let you know where you stand. Let us know what happened.
 
Ronaldadio

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The outcome

***** Hand History for Game 5829020993 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny: 32633149 Level: 6 Blinds(200/400) - Sunday, April 01, 11:49:51 ET 2007
Table Regular (969344) Table #7 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Daimona ( 16,680 )
Seat 3: RACERBOY88 ( 10,200 )
Seat 4: mastermark10 ( 39,386 )
Seat 5: Ronaldadio ( 5,120 )
Seat 7: stephend888 ( 12,630 )
Seat 10: corder222 ( 21,540 )
Seat 2: YarekBalear ( 11,720 )
Seat 9: kandzior ( 31,760 )
Seat 6: legster ( 6,500 )
Seat 8: Cadiff ( 23,005 )
Trny: 32633149 Level: 6
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ronaldadio [ Ts 7s ]
legster calls [400]
stephend888 folds
Cadiff folds
kandzior folds
corder222 folds
Daimona folds
YarekBalear calls [400]
RACERBOY88 calls [400]
mastermark10 calls [200]
Ronaldadio checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 3c, Tc ]
mastermark10 checks
Ronaldadio bets [2,000]
legster folds
YarekBalear folds
RACERBOY88 is all-In [9,800]
mastermark10 folds
Your time bank will be activated in 5 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Gl, u got me out kicked but I got outs
Ronaldadio will be using his time bank for this hand.
Ronaldadio is all-In [2,720]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
Ronaldadio shows [ Ts, 7s ]a pair of Tens.
RACERBOY88 shows [ Qc, Kc ]a straight Nine to King.
RACERBOY88 wins 5,080 chips from side pot #1 with a straight, Nine to King.
RACERBOY88 wins 11,440 chips from the main pot with a straight, Nine to King.
Player Ronaldadio finished in 90.

I put the guy on a straight draw/ flush draw/ 10+ better kicker.

I thought at worse I would be about 60/40 dog. Right or wrong I felt I was pot committed after the initial bet, which could have been too big a bet - my own fault :(

I did think before I pushed all of my chips in. The guy that did go all in had been using the same move with other shorter stacks.

I might be overly aggressive at this stage of a tourny, but the thought of winning just my stake money back does not appeal :D so I always think its time to gamble. The other guy was, as it turned out, 65% to win when we went all in - he had everything (19 outs I think, flush draw, gutshot straight and 2 overs), after the turn he was 41% as he missed one of his cards on the turn.

I`m not sure if I agree with putting in a small bet like 800 - I think the big stack in position will push anyway. After the event I think an all in or a check would have been the best move for me, but with the outs the other guy had he was always going to call.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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Betting 2k has basically committed you to the pot when you're likely behind (or even if ahead invariably not a huge favourite) if someone shoves over you. The pot is 1,400 - there's no need to bet 2k and commit yourself here, the pot isn't large enough to justify it.

Lead for 1k, fold to a raise/shove.
 
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Betting 2k has basically committed you to the pot when you're likely behind (or even if ahead invariably not a huge favourite) if someone shoves over you. The pot is 1,400 - there's no need to bet 2k and commit yourself here, the pot isn't large enough to justify it.

Lead for 1k, fold to a raise/shove.

Agree with the 2k bet Chris, to an extent.

The problem I feel with the 1k lead is that I am then down to <10bb, leaving me to either limp into the cash, if I last that long, or I will need to get very very lucky and catch some big pots. The guy last to act was always going over me if everyone folded/ checked to him, so, although it is a weak move, IMO I would have been better checking and seeing what his response was rather than leading with a 1k bet.

I don`t want to be in a position of having less than 10 BB at this stage of a tourny - the old saying "shit or bust" comes to mind?

Thoughts Chris???
 
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