$ NL HE MTT:

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Freeroll

1. Freeroll

Currency

$

Here we are left with 100 players in this freeroll tournament. Do you guys think that I should push all in here pre-flop? I say this because he likes to limp a lot and then play post flop very aggressive

MP stats after 45 hands: VPIP 16 PFR 5 Limp 11 Post Flop AGG 4



pokerstars, Hold'em No Limit - 1,000/2,000 (250 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 138,324 (69 bb)
UTG+1: 49,891 (25 bb)
MP: 127,456 (64 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 76,258 (38 bb)
CO: 9,020 (5 bb)
BU: 36,339 (18 bb)
SB: 32,112 (16 bb)
BB: 143,734 (72 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,000) Hero is MP+1 with A♦ Q♠
2 players fold, MP raises to 6,000, Hero calls 6,000, 3 players fold, BB calls 4,000

Flop: (21,000) 6♣ Q♥ K♦ (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets 6,000, Hero calls 6,000, BB folds

Turn: (33,000) K♠ (2 players)
MP bets 14,000, Hero calls 14,000

River: (61,000) 8♦ (2 players)
MP bets 30,500, Hero calls 30,500

 

[Marshmalo1994]

In this situation I never know if it's better to call or raise, but I think that a push is not good there. If you were shorter maybe, but his pfr is very tight

 

[badbanking79]

I would be careful in this situation, chances are you are ahead, but caution is sometimes good in poker

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Against a LAG or maniac this would be a fine spot to 3-bet, but against someone playing 16/5 over 45 hands this is definitely just a call. If I had a hand like KQo I might even just pitch it and move on. But AQo is good enough to at least see a flop.

Flop
You made a pair, but its only second pair, and given how tight this guy is preflop, the spot kind of suck. He does bet very small, so I would also call. But already now you need to start thinking about, what a 5% PFR range looks like, and how it connects with this board. And its not great, because while you do beat hands like 88-JJ, is he really betting those into two people with two overcards on the board? Thats certainly up for debate.

Turn
Another K makes it less likely, he has one. But it does not make it impossible, he bet larger now, and is a player with stats like this ever dubble barrel bluffing with, I dont know, AJ or AT? I dont think so, and for that reason its time to let it go and move on.

River
8d changes nothing, but him betting again does change things, and if I made a tilted call on the turn, I would still fold now. You are getting around 3:1, but you only beat a bluff, and I dont think, a player like this is firing every single street as a bluff 1:4 times. More likely he does it 1:100 times, so in my opinion you are just paying him off.

 

[eetenor]

Here we are left with 100 players in this freeroll tournament. Do you guys think that I should push all in here pre-flop? I say this because he likes to limp a lot and then play post flop very aggressive

MP stats after 45 hands: VPIP 16 PFR 5 Limp 11 Post Flop AGG 4



PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 1,000/2,000 (250 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 138,324 (69 bb)
UTG+1: 49,891 (25 bb)
MP: 127,456 (64 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 76,258 (38 bb)
CO: 9,020 (5 bb)
BU: 36,339 (18 bb)
SB: 32,112 (16 bb)
BB: 143,734 (72 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,000) Hero is MP+1 with A♦ Q♠
2 players fold, MP raises to 6,000, Hero calls 6,000, 3 players fold, BB calls 4,000

Flop: (21,000) 6♣ Q♥ K♦ (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets 6,000, Hero calls 6,000, BB folds

Turn: (33,000) K♠ (2 players)
MP bets 14,000, Hero calls 14,000

River: (61,000) 8♦ (2 players)
MP bets 30,500, Hero calls 30,500

The V did not limp- they raised but they like to limp a lot-what might that suggest about their range here?
Are they limping 22-77 or raising? then trying to get you to fold by betting small on the flop?
Turn sizing does not get JT to fold is it more value then?
When we take action on the turn that is when we decide if the V bluffs too much-
This is where note taking is so important even if it is just one showdown or even none- whenever our V are agg we need notes -
We want to take note of betting patterns like size of bets on each street etc

If the V has bluffs calling is fine

No we are never shoving all in preflop

 

[fundiver199]

I say this because he likes to limp a lot and then play post flop very aggressive

You only have 45 hands on the opponent, so how many hands did you actually see him show down? And what kind of hands did he show? Its very easy to perceive someone as being aggressive, because they bet, but over a small sample it might just mean, they hit some big hands and bet them for value.

The V did not limp- they raised but they like to limp a lot-what might that suggest about their range here?

Exactly. They like to limp a lot, but this time they raised, and they went fairly large with 3BB. That most likely mean, they have some sort of real hand like a decent pair or AK/AQ. Maybe they would actually sometimes limp AA or KK as a trap, but they are unlikly to show up here with marginal hands like a small pair, a suited connector or a weak broadway like KT or QJ. If they had one of those hands, they would just have limped, as they do most of the time.

 

[eetenor]

Here we are left with 100 players in this freeroll tournament. Do you guys think that I should push all in here pre-flop? I say this because he likes to limp a lot and then play post flop very aggressive

MP stats after 45 hands: VPIP 16 PFR 5 Limp 11 Post Flop AGG 4



PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 1,000/2,000 (250 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 138,324 (69 bb)
UTG+1: 49,891 (25 bb)
MP: 127,456 (64 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 76,258 (38 bb)
CO: 9,020 (5 bb)
BU: 36,339 (18 bb)
SB: 32,112 (16 bb)
BB: 143,734 (72 bb)

Pre-Flop: (5,000) Hero is MP+1 with A♦ Q♠
2 players fold, MP raises to 6,000, Hero calls 6,000, 3 players fold, BB calls 4,000

Flop: (21,000) 6♣ Q♥ K♦ (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets 6,000, Hero calls 6,000, BB folds

Turn: (33,000) K♠ (2 players)
MP bets 14,000, Hero calls 14,000

River: (61,000) 8♦ (2 players)
MP bets 30,500, Hero calls 30,500

One of the mistakes we make is thinking we want to make players with wide ranges fold preflop because they might suck out- but they miss boards very often and the big equity returns come from us stacking them post flop and taking pots away on the turn as well. Working on our post flop skills and learning to range refine on each street is how we win vs these players