Minimum calling requirement

ChuckTs

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What's the smallest pair you overcall with here (or push with)?

UTG is a loose aggressive maniac (~40/20/5), and CO is a loose-passive player preflop (26/3/1.7).

pokerstars Game #8741686205: Tournament #44490655, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/03/04 - 20:56:07 (ET)
Table '44490655 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: TMMG (1135 in chips) TAG
Seat 2: AjaxAchill (2060 in chips) TAG
Seat 3: Fluffyberg (1080 in chips) LAG
Seat 5: Orange Jedi (1045 in chips) TAG
Seat 6: bustedflush4 (2315 in chips) LAG
Seat 7: downlevel (2425 in chips) very LAG
Seat 8: isrg999 (2060 in chips) LAP
Seat 9: ChuckTs (1380 in chips) TAG
TMMG: posts small blind 25
AjaxAchill: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [X,X]
Fluffyberg: raises 1030 to 1080 and is all-in
Orange Jedi: folds
bustedflush4: folds
downlevel: folds
isrg999: calls 1080
ChuckTs: calls with XX and up

So what's the minimum pair?

How about AK/AKs? AQ/AQs?
 
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i prolly fold everything but QQ+ and maaaaaaaaaaybe AK here
 
joosebuck

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QQ+/AKs normally.

vs two LA-* players, i'd be more inclined to call with JJ, AQs, AK. With JJ it's likely you are only up against 1-2 overs. (A/x & K/x or two people sharing A/x)
 
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I would call if I had Pocket Queens or better.
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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AA-QQ and most definitely not AK(s)
 
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Hit reply without reading the replies. In a SnG it's AA-QQ +AK without blinking, in an MTT it's usually the same though AK maybe I fold sometimes. JJ I sometimes call with as well... depends on a read.

Later in a tourney and a decent stack I'm not calling with AK or JJ unless I'm shortstacked.

AK is obviously a bit of a gamble but you are so infrequently up against AA or KK (they are less likely to push wanting some action with their MONSTER!!) and up against AQ, AJ, KQ enough times to make it worthwhile to ride out the majority of coinflips.

Ideally you'd want to be in this position with a few more chips under your belt to avoid it being a tournament life decision. If you had 3000+ chips then I would contend it's an easy call with AK.

Although I'd really hate calling with JJ here, given my logic for calling with AK that doesn't make a huge deal of sense to fold and against a LAG it's a decent spot.

Here's some pokerstoving-

All of this assumes his range is AK, AQ, AJ, 55-AA, KQ with AA and KK being the least likely.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.312% 49.29% 05.02% 1336954656 136142142.00 { AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 45.688% 40.67% 05.02% 1103050596 136142142.00 { 55+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.950% 58.27% 00.68% 664468404 7789326.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 41.050% 40.37% 00.68% 460347408 7789326.00 { 55+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }

The above assumes AA, KK, KQ and AJ are equally likely with the other hands which I don't think they are but it probably balances out (an issue with Pokerstove analysis is the equal weighting of the probability of the selected range (unless there is a way to change this?) so I suspect the advantage is slightly greater than shown depending on read.

So at worst case, unless you think you are better than 58% to get yourself to 2300 chips then you should call with JJ and if you are less than 54% you should call with AK.

Only other factors are your estimation of likelihood of action behind and the small chance of rebuilding if you call and lose and are left with 300 chips.

Good question, certainly some food for thought.
 
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alan1983

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Id call with JJ and up for pairs. 1010 maybe.

Id also call with AQ and AK.

Edit: I noticed blinds were still 25-50. I think id rule out AQ then :D. Ak and JJ+ for me
 
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In this scenario against LAG player, I'd call with pocket AA-10's & AK & AQ which is a pretty wide range. LAG players often get a pretty hand like AJs or A10s to push with in this situation.
 
ChuckTs

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Thx for the responses; as it happened, EP pushed with A6, LP called with AKs and I had a trivially easy fold w/88. I was just wondering where people would draw the line.
 
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with the blinds at 25/50 still, I think Id pretty much only call with QQ+, Id probably muck AK because its still earlier and you want to survive to get to the later stages of the tourney.
 
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QQ+ and AK suited. You have lots of time before you need to really push to make a play. You are not in dire need to double up yet so it is instafold unless you have a top 4 hand.

Tournaments are only lost at the 25/50 blind level, never won there.
 
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