micro stakes mtt AA

[Shandy]

- Level I (10/20) - 2007/05/04 - 22:01:56 (ET)
Table '48888485 95' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: 222shay222 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: shiank (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: galacticcat (1140 in chips)
Seat 4: Juggler555 (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: DRAGONPT (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: MEGDAN (1700 in chips)
Seat 7: crugerduger (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: leaf99 (1690 in chips)
Seat 9: lilpeanut79 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Juggler555: posts small blind 10
DRAGONPT: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 222shay222 [As Ad]
MEGDAN: calls 20
crugerduger: folds
leaf99: folds
lilpeanut79: folds
222shay222: raises 120 to 140
shiank: folds
galacticcat: folds
Juggler555: folds
DRAGONPT: calls 120
MEGDAN: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [Th 2s 4h]
DRAGONPT: bets 20
MEGDAN: calls 20
222shay222: raises 140 to 160
DRAGONPT: calls 140
MEGDAN: calls 140
*** TURN *** [Th 2s 4h] [Td]
DRAGONPT: bets 1200 and is all-in
MEGDAN: calls 1200
222shay222:??????????

This is a 25c tourney, anyone call this

 

[joeeagles]

You have to fold here with the huge raise and 1 caller already. Too much of a chance someone has a T, considering they also called your flop bet. This type of tournament is very loose, bets could be that big even with draws but its hard to figure you ahead of both of them here.

Easy fold.

 

[calibanboy]

Two people still in the hand. That tells you something.

What you do think about your flop Raise? What were you trying to do with a 1/4 pot raise?

 

[Shandy]

The flop bet was for value- i thought any more and i may lose them, i see now that there was a possible flush draw, but at the time i felt it was for value, and was quite happy to keep x10, or any other over pair in the hand.

 

[calibanboy]

The flop bet was for value- i thought any more and i may lose them, i see now that there was a possible flush draw, but at the time i felt it was for value, and was quite happy to keep x10, or any other over pair in the hand.

I want to lose them more often than not - or force them into a mistake.

Here are some generic rules I have for these cards.

a) get all the money in PF ( or as much as possible )
b) Win the hand on the flop if A) not possible.
- If reraised decide my action on texture of the flop and player involved.
- If smooth called large bet then be very very wary for teh rest of the hand ( unless he's a calling station ) as this means the person has smooth called me twice.
c) avoid slowly building the pot in readiness for turn and River cards as this often allows people to over take me. Over pairs become marginal later in the hand ( turn or river ). Theres also the danger I get married to the hand or pot committed if I do this.

 

[skoldpadda]

For me it's a clear fold. But if you can stand to lose the buy-in theres a small chance neither has a ten and it would be nice to triple up early.

 

[Dorkus Malorkus]

This is an autofold. Your great preflop hand, given the action and the turn card, has turned to crap. The vast majority of the time someone has a T here. Very occasionally you could be up against two donks with flush draws (or a flush draw and 53o or something), but that happens far too rarely to even begin considering calling here.

 

[alexanderwoo1]

Yeah you should fold. You should raise big preflop anyways than you probably wouldn't be in this position.

 

[shinedown.45]

one is on a flush draw or maybe K-10 and the other is holding A-10suited so the only move you do have here is to fold.

 

[shinedown.45]

Yeah you should fold. You should raise big preflop anyways than you probably wouldn't be in this position.

It doesn't really matter what the raise is early on in this type of tourney, almost anyone with an A-x will call any bet so the standard bet was fine IMO.

 

[calibanboy]

It doesn't really matter what the raise is early on in this type of tourney, almost anyone with an A-x will call any bet so the standard bet was fine IMO.

OK - it that case all-in PF?

 

[Shandy]

Thank you all for your replys- i agree with all, that this was an easy fold, just think maybe i didn't take into account the quality of the players i was up against at that level.
Results below
- Level I (10/20) - 2007/05/04 - 22:01:56 (ET)Table '48888485 95' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: 222shay222 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: shiank (1490 in chips) Seat 3: galacticcat (1140 in chips) Seat 4: Juggler555 (1480 in chips) Seat 5: DRAGONPT (1500 in chips) Seat 6: MEGDAN (1700 in chips) Seat 7: crugerduger (1500 in chips) is sitting outSeat 8: leaf99 (1690 in chips) Seat 9: lilpeanut79 (1500 in chips) is sitting outJuggler555: posts small blind 10DRAGONPT: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to 222shay222 [As Ad]MEGDAN: calls 20crugerduger: folds leaf99: folds lilpeanut79: folds 222shay222: raises 120 to 140shiank: folds galacticcat: folds Juggler555: folds DRAGONPT: calls 120MEGDAN: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [Th 2s 4h]DRAGONPT: bets 20MEGDAN: calls 20222shay222: raises 140 to 160DRAGONPT: calls 140MEGDAN: calls 140*** TURN *** [Th 2s 4h] [Td]DRAGONPT: bets 1200 and is all-inMEGDAN: calls 1200 222shay222: folds
*** RIVER *** [Th 2s 4h Td] [2d]*** SHOW DOWN ***
DRAGONPT: shows [5s 4d] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
MEGDAN: shows [Jd Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)MEGDAN collected 3310 from
pot222shay222 said, "AA"

 

[jeffred1111]

Classic donk play there from the guy who called with 54o. Dragonpt probably wanted to represent a ten and he figured that his overpair was good, wich was pretty donkish, but not more so than is all-in: he is first to act and a ten in someone's hand is likely, thus ending his tournament.

He got lucky, getting called by the worse hand and pushing the better hand out, but at the same time, folding in this spot will be good to you in the long run since somebody will be bond to have a 10 or a draw that'll get you.

The only thing that I would've done differently, but this is dependant on reads, is just 3 or 4 bet the flop, not go over the top like you did. Poor players or gamblers will still follow such a huge raise figuring that if they get lucky, they'll get that more chips. Raising for value preflop at that level is almost always a failure since players don't think "big raise, I should have a big hand to call" they think "big raise, more money for me!". This is why AA is a great hand, but goes down in value when you play donks (or people passing themselves as donks): they won't respect your raise and luck out or put you in a bad spot, making you fold. That or get all your money in preflop, this should prevent hands like 54o from calling.

 

[Suited Frenzy]

You have to fold here with the huge raise and 1 caller already. Too much of a chance someone has a T, considering they also called your flop bet. This type of tournament is very loose, bets could be that big even with draws but its hard to figure you ahead of both of them here.

Easy fold.

I agree w/ Joe 100% here.