limping on the button when blinds are high

[petey5o]

first off IMO when the blinds are pretty high late in a tourney, You advance by stealing blinds, and when i have bb and its folded to the button where they limp, this is where i make moves the most, Limping on the button when you should be raising any 2 cards your gonna play, shows weakness. Do you guys agree? This was a beauty tho, what you think.



full tilt poker Game #8733498450: $2 + $0.25 Tournament (66585750), Table 10 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:41:13 ET - 2008/10/30
Seat 1: paradu17 (1,974)
Seat 2: martin01325 (3,792)
Seat 3: El Alj Ali (16,325)
Seat 4: 6138 (7,670)
Seat 5: mjp516 (18,010)
Seat 6: BilG45 (4,244)
paradu17 antes 50
martin01325 antes 50
El Alj Ali antes 50
6138 antes 50
mjp516 antes 50
BilG45 antes 50
6138 posts the small blind of 200
mjp516 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mjp516 [7h 5d]
BilG45 folds
paradu17 has 15 seconds left to act
paradu17 folds
martin01325 has 15 seconds left to act
martin01325 is sitting out
martin01325 has timed out
martin01325 folds
El Alj Ali calls 400
6138 folds
martin01325 has returned
mjp516 has 15 seconds left to act
mjp516 raises to 1,400
El Alj Ali calls 1,000
*** FLOP *** [6h 4c Ts]
mjp516 has 15 seconds left to act
mjp516 bets 1,850
El Alj Ali calls 1,850
*** TURN *** [6h 4c Ts] [8c]
6138 has been disconnected
6138 has reconnected
mjp516 has 15 seconds left to act
mjp516 bets 5,000
El Alj Ali calls 5,000
*** RIVER *** [6h 4c Ts 8c] [Ks]
mjp516 has 15 seconds left to act
mjp516 bets 9,710, and is all in
El Alj Ali folds
Uncalled bet of 9,710 returned to mjp516
mjp516 mucks
mjp516 wins the pot (17,000)
The blinds are now 250/500 with an ante of 50

 

[100kpoker]

Nice hole cards you hit there

Considering your thoughts about weakness by limping on button - don't underestimate the players.

Probably you will be right in about 70% of cases and he will fold your bb raise, but as you see now he called and what does that leave you with? A big pot with bad cards. Sometimes you will hit them, sometimes you won't but you will probably bet all the time, because what else are you supposed to do, right? So you might win or you might lose.

I would just check, see the flop with 7 5 and then decide what to do probably.

Other point to consider is - why does he chose to play some hand without a raise even though he knows about blind steal?

This does not apply so much to 2$ tourneys but when you play higher stakes, he probably has some kind of a very good hand and he is luring you in... I wouldn't be surprised if the guy had AA in this situation.

 

[vanquish]

When someone limps the button, there's a 99% chance they're calling if you raise from the BB.

 

[kingsup23]

^^^Idk about that. It all depends on how high the blinds are. If the blinds are really low then id say its more of a 100% chance theyll call but if theyre really high maybe they have a hand like Kd10d and are trying to see a cheap flop. They may not want to pay lets say a 3xBB raise. All depends on the player.

 

[vanquish]

^^^Idk about that. It all depends on how high the blinds are. If the blinds are really low then id say its more of a 100% chance theyll call but if theyre really high maybe they have a hand like Kd10d and are trying to see a cheap flop. They may not want to pay lets say a 3xBB raise. All depends on the player.

He's not limp/folding KTdd or any other thing. No one limps the button with the intent to fold if the BB raises.

 

[josh_dei8]

I think the button trapped himself. He probably was sitting on PP, tried to slow play it and got beat. When you flopped openended straight draw you werent going anywhere. great job

 

[Steveg1976]

first off IMO when the blinds are pretty high late in a tourney, You advance by stealing blinds, and when i have bb and its folded to the button where they limp, this is where i make moves the most, Limping on the button when you should be raising any 2 cards your gonna play, shows weakness. Do you guys agree? This was a beauty tho, what you think.

some thoughts -

limping the button is great way for a thinking player to mix up their play for delayed steal and traps also. In this case you flopped a monster hand. if he had limped a small pp and caught a set on the flop and the river paired the board instead you bragging about hitting your straight you would probably be calling him a donk for not raising the blind and sucking out.

In the hand above his post flop play appears bad but we don't know what your image at the table was and as the bb you are playing ATC so you don't have to have a big hand, if he laid down two pair in the spot then he played the hand just fine.

Also raising the button is as exploitable as limping the button except it can be more expensive to resteals by players who are paying attention.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Often you'll find when a player is limping in from button that they have a monster and are praying you're going to reraise them, especially if it's contrary to what they've been doing up to this point. I'd be more apt to go for a reraise shove steal from the bb when it's raised,... of course it depends on how high the blinds are and if I have fold equity.

 

[u4eated]

I tend to limp in on the button with any to cards just to see a flop.

 

[vanquish]

I tend to limp in on the button with any to cards just to see a flop.

You must be a very bad player.

 

[petey5o]

He's not limp/folding KTdd or any other thing. No one limps the button with the intent to fold if the BB raises.

That their move i did in this hand...has forced a fold pre flop FAR more times than i've gotten called. In 6 handed tourneys thats about all of which i play, anywhere from $2 - $10 buy in