Jacks in late position

[ketz]

pokerstars Game #11007106910: Tournament #55433833, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/07/18 - 17:24:47 (ET)
Table '55433833 158' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: ergosuper (2020 in chips)
Seat 2: hotte1977 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Stormy Ry (1955 in chips)
Seat 4: pod1990 (1965 in chips)
Seat 5: dktoes48 (940 in chips)
Seat 6: ghoul3us (1995 in chips)
Seat 7: MillWall33 (2375 in chips)
Seat 8: racinjunkie (3040 in chips)
Seat 9: deenasim (1010 in chips)
MillWall33: posts small blind 15
racinjunkie: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pod1990 [Jc Jd]
deenasim: folds
ergosuper: folds
hotte1977: folds
Stormy Ry: calls 30
pod1990: raises 90 to 120
dktoes48: folds
ghoul3us: calls 120
MillWall33: folds
racinjunkie: raises 90 to 210
Stormy Ry: folds
pod1990: calls 90
ghoul3us: raises 1785 to 1995 and is all-in
racinjunkie: calls 1785

What should I do?

 

[Cheesus666]

Fold. Its very early in the tournament, if either of em has a big pocket pair, you're dead, and only a coinflip against AK, AQ, or KQ. Even if they have Ax or Kx, you're only a 2:1 favorite against one of them. With both of them in the hand, you're 50/50 to lose all your chips pretty much no matter what they have unless its smaller pocket pairs.

 

[Emperor IX]

Yeah just fold it and don't look back, you're at BEST a coinflip, and you don't want that.

 

[mrsnake3695]

First off any reads on the 2 other players involved?

Secondly, this is some really bizzare betting. Player A smooth calls your raise, Player B mini-raises, Player A then shoves which player B calls. Of course this is a 2 dollar donkfest but It's hard to believe that one doesn't have a pocket pair higher than Jacks and one doesn't have AK here.

I'd fold and note what the players showed.

 

[Four Dogs]

FOLD! They're just jacks. BTW, you're PF bet was a little too big. 6xbb? Strong hands will still call you, you'll just lose more money when they connect with the flop. Jacks are a good hand if you don't over estimate their strength. Just value bet, max 4xbb.

 

[t1riel]

I don't mind the big PF bet. You were in early to middle position and you don't want too much action with Jacks. Now, you are faced with a reraise, reraise all in and a call. Easy fold.

 

[Four Dogs]

I don't mind the big PF bet. You were in early to middle position and you don't want too much action with Jacks. Now, you are faced with a reraise, reraise all in and a call. Easy fold.

The main problem with it is that you're really not getting much more fold value out of a 6xbb raise than a 4xbb. True, you don't want too much action with jacks, but you do want some. Also, the oversized bet does a great job of advertising your medium pair. Any opponent who calls knows exactly what they're up against. I'd call this bet with almost anything and bet out if an Ace or King flops.

 

[bodizzl]

yo

id say fold. ultimately tho it also comes down to your read on the player allin. if theres 2 allins its an easy fold. pick your spots!

 

[Stick66]

PokerStars Game #11007106910: Tournament #55433833, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/07/18 - 17:24:47 (ET)
Table '55433833 158' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: ergosuper (2020 in chips)
Seat 2: hotte1977 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Stormy Ry (1955 in chips)
Seat 4: pod1990 (1965 in chips)
Seat 5: dktoes48 (940 in chips)
Seat 6: ghoul3us (1995 in chips)
Seat 7: MillWall33 (2375 in chips)
Seat 8: racinjunkie (3040 in chips)
Seat 9: deenasim (1010 in chips)
MillWall33: posts small blind 15
racinjunkie: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pod1990 [Jc Jd]
deenasim: folds
ergosuper: folds
hotte1977: folds
Stormy Ry: calls 30
pod1990: raises 90 to 120
dktoes48: folds
ghoul3us: calls 120
MillWall33: folds
racinjunkie: raises 90 to 210
Stormy Ry: folds
pod1990: calls 90
ghoul3us: raises 1785 to 1995 and is all-in
racinjunkie: calls 1785

What should I do?

FOLD! They're just jacks. BTW, you're PF bet was a little too big. 6xbb? Strong hands will still call you, you'll just lose more money when they connect with the flop. Jacks are a good hand if you don't over estimate their strength. Just value bet, max 4xbb.

It's 12:45 am and I'm groggy, so I might be wrong. But isn't 120/30 = 4 ? See bold above.

BTW, easy fold. Ghoul's overcall/push combined with Racin's reraise/push is way too much strength for Jacks to handle.

 

[Four Dogs]

It's 12:45 am and I'm groggy, so I might be wrong. But isn't 120/30 = 4 ? See bold above.

BTW, easy fold. Ghoul's overcall/push combined with Racin's reraise/push is way too much strength for Jacks to handle.

Let's see here, 120 and 30, drop the zero's so now it's 12 divided by 3 and uhh, I need my calculator.... oh here it is, and I get 4. Huh, what do you know it is 4 x the bb.....not 6 after all. Um.................Still too big. 3, yeah it should have been 3.

 

[mrsnake3695]

Let's see here, 120 and 30, drop the zero's so now it's 12 divided by 3 and uhh, I need my calculator.... oh here it is, and I get 4. Huh, what do you know it is 4 x the bb.....not 6 after all. Um.................Still too big. 3, yeah it should have been 3.

With the blinds at 30 you have to bet 120, nobody will give any respect to a bet of 90 it will invite alot more players into the pot. At this blind level there is a psycological impact of a bet over/under 100.

 

[ketz]

I did fold. 1 had AA and the other had QQ. The board showed me two jacks but at the time I made the correct move