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pokerstars Game #12038438174: Tournament #61091426, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit
- Level II (15/30) - 2007/09/13 - 16:30:25 (ET)
Table '61091426 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cre1 (1970 in chips)
Seat 2: 98FLHRC (1310 in chips)
Seat 3: knckuout71 (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: tom5649 (1490 in chips)
Seat 6: pod1990 (1230 in chips)
Seat 7: olivier73 (1330 in chips)
Seat 8: diamondAA (2960 in chips)
Seat 9: CookieNation (1740 in chips)
tom5649: posts small blind 15
pod1990: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pod1990 [Ks Kd]
olivier73: calls 30
diamondAA: calls 30
CookieNation: folds
cre1: folds
98FLHRC: folds
knckuout71: folds
tom5649: calls 15
pod1990: raises 90 to 120
olivier73: calls 90
diamondAA: calls 90
tom5649: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 9s Qh]
pod1990: bets 300
olivier73: calls 300
diamondAA: folds
*** TURN *** [7s 9s Qh] [9h]
pod1990: bets 530
olivier73: calls 530
*** RIVER *** [7s 9s Qh 9h] [Ac]
pod1990: bets 280 and is all-in
olivier73: calls 280
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pod1990: shows [Ks Kd] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
olivier73: shows [As 8s] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
olivier73 collected 2610 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2610 | Rake 0
Board [7s 9s Qh 9h Ac]
Seat 1: cre1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 98FLHRC folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: knckuout71 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tom5649 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: pod1990 (big blind) showed [Ks Kd] and lost with two pair, Kings and
Nines
Seat 7: olivier73 showed [As 8s] and won (2610) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 8: diamondAA folded on the Flop
Seat 9: CookieNation folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
ChuckTs

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Although it sounds really results-oriented, just push the turn. We've only got about a pot-bet left, and we've got to protect our hand against draws. Just shove.
 
blankoblanco

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3 players in the pot before you and you're in bad position, so definitely charge more pre-flop.. 150 at the least, I like 180 best.

flop looks good. on the turn just shove.. if he has some kind of big draw, he's only going to put the rest of his chips in on the river when he hits it and outdraws you, aka a negative freeroll. so get it all in on the turn, and if he wants to call as an underdog, let him
 
mrsnake3695

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3 players in the pot before you and you're in bad position, so definitely charge more pre-flop.. 150 at the least, I like 180 best.

flop looks good. on the turn just shove.. if he has some kind of big draw, he's only going to put the rest of his chips in on the river when he hits it and outdraws you, aka a negative freeroll. so get it all in on the turn, and if he wants to call as an underdog, let him

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With 3 limpers we should bet about 3XBB plus one BB for each limper maybe even a little more in a $1 tourney. Should be about 150-180. Make them pay to play rags against you.

I agree with push the turn. Idiot might have called you anyway but with 3 outs that's what you want. It's a positive EV play for you long run. Get the money in on the turn against probable drawing hands because if he misses the river you lose the opportunity to get anymore chips from him.
 
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I don't really see anything wrong with your play here. Yeah, you could have pushed all-in earlier, but unless it was pre-flop, I don't see him folding. After the flop, he had a nut flush draw - and from the looks of his play thats all he saw. He was probably pissed off when he saw that ace because it wasn't a spade, then said "OMG - I won!" when he got the chips.

Maybe this is a gross understatement of this person's play, but not everyone plays poker very well, especially at that buy in. You played your hand well, and got sucked out on by a leech. Just move on and keep playing your game - more often than not you win that pot.
 
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Effexor

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I agree with whats been said. You have to raise more PF, and push the turn. Always think ahead. If you are going to bet on the flop, then on the turn, why leave yourself 280 behind? Would you have folded if the flush draw hit on the river?
 
royalburrito24

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raise it up much larger pre flop and you might not get that caller...I would much rather take down the pot there than give my opponent the chance to draw out on me...
I am not looking to win a big pot unless i flop a set
 
lasvegaspokerchick

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I agree with everyone that you need to push on the turn and also agree that it probably would not have done any good. With the nut flush draw and an overcard, if he was willing to call the bet he did, he would have called you all in. I disagree slightly about raising more pre-flop. KK is a premium hand and I am often willing to risk an ace flopping and having to lay down my hand in order to score a bigger pot. You are looking to exploit those huge hands in MTT because you don't get them that often. Yes, sometimes you will let in a weak ace. Yes, you will get outflopped sometimes. But I disagree with wkonevich when he says that he's not looking to take down a big pot unless he flops a set. How many tournaments in a row have all of us gone without flopping a single set? You need to build your pots where you can. All in all...I think you would have been out either way, but push on the turn.
 
ratmantoo

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All advice sounds good with slight variations depending on that persons personal game style. Personally I think you played the hand well but have to agree with the BB raise maybe being a bit small (3 to 4 times = 90 to 120 but position is not good so maybe 5 times (150) or more) but once again that depends on how you perceive how the people after you are playing.

After the flop with the nut flush well who can say what anyone would do in a freeroll.

Well done and remember thats poker ....everyone has bad days
 
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