HUGE stack vs. HUGE stack

[Emperor IX]

Late in, on the bubble, two top chioleaders, damn near equal:

full tilt poker Game #2777793764: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (21173681), Table 9 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:09:43 ET - 2007/06/26
Seat 1: DR TEA (3,460)
Seat 2: MorganPym (17,405)
Seat 3: henrywarner2 (38,033)
Seat 5: TA444 (6,265)
Seat 7: magician13 (1,034), is sitting out
Seat 8: Big Jingles (37,811)
Seat 9: Red43 (14,115)
DR TEA antes 50
MorganPym antes 50
henrywarner2 antes 50
TA444 antes 50
magician13 antes 50
Big Jingles antes 50
Red43 antes 50
henrywarner2 posts the small blind of 250
TA444 posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to henrywarner2 [As Ts]
magician13 folds
magician13 has returned
Big Jingles raises to 1,500
Red43 calls 1,500
DR TEA folds
MorganPym folds
henrywarner2 calls 1,250
TA444 folds
*** FLOP *** [3s Jh Ah]
henrywarner2 checks
Big Jingles bets 3,000
Red43 folds
henrywarner2 calls 3,000
*** TURN *** [3s Jh Ah] [9s]
henrywarner2 checks
Big Jingles bets 5,000
henrywarner2 calls 5,000
*** RIVER *** [3s Jh Ah 9s] [Jd]
henrywarner2 ??? (Attempt to bluff at the jack? Going by my read he does NOT have one)

 

[stormswa]

no way to answer this because we have no idea where we stand in this hand?

as passive as you played this I think the only play is check and call any reasonable bet.

 

[Mehman]

looking at the betting sequence it would seem he has TPTK AK/AQ for mine and is trying to throw you off if you didn't have a jack, not knowing how this guy plays i couldn't say to much but being that deep into a tournament i'd say your behind with your kicker.

 

[Emperor IX]

no way to answer this because we have no idea where we stand in this hand?

as passive as you played this I think the only play is check and call any reasonable bet.

My bad I did think that him having a better ace was a great possibility, and that's the reason I played it passive, I wanted it to be cheap. WIth the jack coming up (and my knowing he didn't have one) I thought it presented a great opportunity at a bluff, because I was known at that table TO slowplay hands.

 

[stormswa]

My bad I did think that him having a better ace was a great possibility, and that's the reason I played it passive, I wanted it to be cheap. WIth the jack coming up (and my knowing he didn't have one) I thought it presented a great opportunity at a bluff, because I was known at that table TO slowplay hands.

at what point did you put him on AK?

bluffing the J is bad here, I think if you tried bluffing that and I had AK I would make a call a majority of the time. BECAUSE that is not a slowplay, I dont see you calling all the way down with a J here.

I think bluffing here is going to lose you money in long run.

the way you playing it ThQh or QT os would be the line I put you on.

 

[Emperor IX]

Well, in the end I did minimize my losses. I checked, and he min-bet, and showed AK.

I ended up knocking him out in 3rd at the FT, and finished in 2nd.

 

[Effexor]

at what point did you put him on AK?

bluffing the J is bad here, I think if you tried bluffing that and I had AK I would make a call a majority of the time. BECAUSE that is not a slowplay, I dont see you calling all the way down with a J here.

I think bluffing here is going to lose you money in long run.

the way you playing it ThQh or QT os would be the line I put you on.

Another problem with betting big on the river when the Jack hit is that he may put you on a busted flush draw and could very well reraise you.

This HH shows the value of position. You have absolutely no clue where you stand in the hand. Getting cold called all the way down is a very scary situation and not a good situation for a bluff.

 

[stormswa]

Another problem with betting big on the river when the Jack hit is that he may put you on a busted flush draw and could very well reraise you.

This HH shows the value of position. You have absolutely no clue where you stand in the hand. Getting cold called all the way down is a very scary situation and not a good situation for a bluff.

hero was the one calling not villain.

 

[Emperor IX]

Another problem with betting big on the river when the Jack hit is that he may put you on a busted flush draw and could very well reraise you.

This HH shows the value of position. You have absolutely no clue where you stand in the hand. Getting cold called all the way down is a very scary situation and not a good situation for a bluff.

Yeah like storm pointed, I was the one in position. This is why I think a bluff would've been a decent play, though as I stated, I didn't make one.

 

[stormswa]

Yeah like storm pointed, I was the one in position. This is why I think a bluff would've been a decent play, though as I stated, I didn't make one.

no you were out of position, you were 1st to act on every street therefore you were out of position.

your whole line from preflop to turn was check/call, check/call which is the line a draw would take not a pair. So bluffing J here is not good.

Late in, on the bubble, two top chioleaders, damn near equal:

Full Tilt Poker Game #2777793764: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (21173681), Table 9 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:09:43 ET - 2007/06/26
Seat 1: DR TEA (3,460)
Seat 2: MorganPym (17,405)
Seat 3: henrywarner2 (38,033)
Seat 5: TA444 (6,265)
Seat 7: magician13 (1,034), is sitting out
Seat 8: Big Jingles (37,811)
Seat 9: Red43 (14,115)
DR TEA antes 50
MorganPym antes 50
henrywarner2 antes 50
TA444 antes 50
magician13 antes 50
Big Jingles antes 50
Red43 antes 50
henrywarner2 posts the small blind of 250
TA444 posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to henrywarner2 [As Ts]
magician13 folds
magician13 has returned
Big Jingles raises to 1,500
Red43 calls 1,500
DR TEA folds
MorganPym folds
henrywarner2 calls 1,250
TA444 folds
*** FLOP *** [3s Jh Ah]
henrywarner2 checks
Big Jingles bets 3,000
Red43 folds
henrywarner2 calls 3,000
*** TURN *** [3s Jh Ah] 9♠
henrywarner2 checks
Big Jingles bets 5,000
henrywarner2 calls 5,000
*** RIVER *** [3s Jh Ah 9s] J♦
henrywarner2 ??? (Attempt to bluff at the jack? Going by my read he does NOT have one)

your line is the exact line I would of taken with a draw out of position, in position I raise with my draws to get free cards but out of position I will sometimes call with draw or combo draws.

I would call your river bet a majority amount of the time here with AK.

next time just fold this preflop, this hand is too hard to play out of position.

 

[Emperor IX]

Oh my shit I didn't even realize I didn't have position, haha. Don't worry I did at the time I don't know what I was thinking earlier.