$Freeroll NLHE Turbo: Free Roll NLHE Turbo: 4 blind raise UTG, followed by 2.5 times reraise and caller

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$Freeroll NL HE Turbo: Free Roll NL HE Turbo: 4 blind raise UTG, followed by 2.5 times reraise and caller

Ok, so one player who is under the gun raises it to a little under 4 blinds. He is rather loose/aggressive so I did not put him on a monster hand. The player to his immediate left reraises hi to 2.5 times the amount. This player is a complete fish, raises with crap and plays crap. Just a real bad player. The player to his left then calls his raise. This player is probably worse, calls WAY too much(he called a persons all in preflop with J4 when they both had like 20 blinds...) Then it is up to me. I look down and see AQ looking back at me. What should I do in this position?

I had 4200 chips and the raise was 1000. I was a little above average in chips. Calling was out of the question; I would not hit enough to make that profitable. I was rather confident that the two fish would call, even though I thought they would have nothing much, I was more concerned with the player who originally raised. I ended up pushing all in, as I reasoned that only 4 hands beat AQ: QQ, KK, AA, AK, and I doubted any had those hands.

Another player who had under 500 chips called with A10, the original raiser folded his 77, the reraiser fish called with his QQ:)o) and the other fish called with his k6 suited. The k6 suited hit his flush and it made me question if I made the right move. I do believe I would be ahead of them the majority of the time; however, even crap hands can win. What I am getting at his even though I would win more than not there I believe, it sure is a risky move, when I could wait for a better position, especially since I was slightly ahead.

Thanks in advance for any comments!
 
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FYI: AQ< AA;KK;QQ;JJ;1010;99;88;77;66;55;44;33;22;AK

Generally AQo doesn't work too well in multiway 3bet pots.

I can't give you exact numbers since I can't use pokerstove from work and

I don't have villains stats just what you said.

You need to look at it differently, too imo. - Look which ranges you beat with AQo - not the actual cards (you don't know).



I guess your chances are around (AQo - A10o - QQ - K6s) 30-10-40-20.

That's a very wild guess though.

But to sum it up:
  • You were not favourite pf (not against their actual hands and not against their combined raising/3-bet-shove/call 3-bet range)
  • Your reasoning which hands beat your AQo was false
  • If calling is out of the question because you have a drawing hand then why is shoving better in this spot having outlined that you'll probably get at least two
  • callers ?
On a side-note: It would be much easier if you used a hand converter to make it easier readable.
 
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OK - put an example into pokerstove -

All text results appended to pokerstove.txt

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.071% 14.04% 01.03% 152505 11163.50 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 09.507% 08.80% 00.70% 95622 7626.00 { AhTd }
Hand 2: 44.301% 43.91% 00.39% 476910 4202.50 { QhQs }
Hand 3: 31.121% 31.06% 00.06% 337314 665.00 { Ks6s }

A second example with slightly different distribution:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 20.851% 19.81% 01.04% 215177 11269.75 { AdQd }
Hand 1: 09.499% 08.78% 00.72% 95362 7799.75 { AhTs }
Hand 2: 42.085% 41.68% 00.40% 452652 4398.25 { QhQs }
Hand 3: 27.564% 27.48% 00.09% 298421 928.25 { Ks6s }

You could argue that the K6s and A10o shouldn't have called either -

Let's assume the 77 had called...with the QQ


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.706% 26.11% 00.59% 357934 8142.50 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 19.898% 19.82% 00.08% 271639 1109.00 { 7h7s }
Hand 2: 53.396% 52.80% 00.59% 723787 8142.50 { QhQs }

...if only QQ had called ...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.174% 29.56% 00.62% 506094 10577.50 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 69.826% 69.21% 00.62% 1185055 10577.50 { QhQs }

Against two extremely loose callers with wide raise/3-bet/call aipf ranges (maniacs lol) - only let the RNG run monte carlo

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.829% 40.75% 02.08% 1594372486 81407355.67 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 30.156% 28.34% 01.82% 1108732577 71195896.18 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 27.014% 26.08% 00.94% 1020280052 36708617.33 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 98o, 76o }

And finally against a tighter range - only one caller.


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.598% 26.46% 09.14% 26927368 9304191.00 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 64.402% 55.26% 09.14% 56242835 9304206.50 { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }
 
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Thanks for the good reply. Just wondering if you could answer these questions:

"Your reasoning which hands beat your AQo was false"
Why?

"If calling is out of the question because you have a drawing hand then why is shoving better in this spot having outlined that you'll probably get at least two callers ?"

Perhaps this is a leak in my game, but I don't like putting 25% of my stake in the pot. I'm only going to hit the flop 1/3 the time and don't wan't a player to push me off the other 2/3 of the time. Opinions?

"On a side-note: It would be much easier if you used a hand converter to make it easier readable."

It was a live game. Where can I find a hand converter anyway?
 
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Thanks for the good reply. Just wondering if you could answer these questions:

"Your reasoning which hands beat your AQo was false"
Why?

Because you said: " I reasoned that only 4 hands beat AQ: QQ, KK, AA, AK"

"If calling is out of the question because you have a drawing hand then why is shoving better in this spot having outlined that you'll probably get at least two callers ?"

Perhaps this is a leak in my game, but I don't like putting 25% of my stake in the pot. I'm only going to hit the flop 1/3 the time and don't wan't a player to push me off the other 2/3 of the time. Opinions?

Mmmm - instead you put your whole stack in... well if opponents can fold it's a possible move - if you think they won't you're throwing money at them in this situation.

"On a side-note: It would be much easier if you used a hand converter to make it easier readable."

It was a live game. Where can I find a hand converter anyway?

Oh missed the live part - just google "hand converter" or use cc's in the HA section.
 
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Freeroll + AQ + donkeys reraising = arrrrr-in
 
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