$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Final Table Saturday ACR Freerool

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Villain in the Lo-Jack with 37.83 BB
Hero on the Button with 11.46 BB with :ac4::9h4:
Villain min bets 2BB, Hero calls. Small & Big Blinds fold.
6.62 BB in pot and Flop comes :as4::jh4::5s4: Villain checks Hero has a medium Ace with 9.46 BB, or 1.5 times the pot. Hero raises 1/2 pot expecting a fold or a push. Villain surprises and just calls.
13.25 BB in pot turn comes :qc4:and Villain raises 1/2 pot, functionally putting Hero all in. Hero makes a crying call getting ~3 to 1. Good idea?

Villain shows :8h4::8s4: River comes a :3d4: Hero goes out in 5th with Villain one of the4 still playing.
 
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With less than 20BB, you should never call an open raise from any other seat than BB. From all other seats you either jam or fold, when someone else have opened. This is the most profitable strategy, since it gives you fold equity, and it also avoid weird postflop situations like these. With A9o facing a LJ open, my default would be to fold. As played once you flop top pair, you are committed to the pot, even with a bad kicker. The video below might help you when facing similar spots in the future.

 
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Villain in the Lo-Jack with 37.83 BB
Hero on the Button with 11.46 BB with :ac4::9h4:
Villain min bets 2BB, Hero calls. Small & Big Blinds fold.
6.62 BB in pot and Flop comes :as4::jh4::5s4: Villain checks Hero has a medium Ace with 9.46 BB, or 1.5 times the pot. Hero raises 1/2 pot expecting a fold or a push. Villain surprises and just calls.
13.25 BB in pot turn comes :qc4:and Villain raises 1/2 pot, functionally putting Hero all in. Hero makes a crying call getting ~3 to 1. Good idea?

Villain shows :8h4::8s4: River comes a :3d4: Hero goes out in 5th with Villain one of the4 still playing.

What am I missing here?
Hero has A,9 - Villain has 8's - Board is A,J,5,Q,3. No flush (only 2 spades on board), no straights.
Hero has pair of A's, Villain has pair of 8's. Not sure how hero lost here or it's somehow way past my bedtime?
 
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I cant even see the reveal for whatever reason. Anyone, who are serious about online poker, should purchase PT4 or a similar tracker. Then if they want to share a hand history to the forum, they just export it from PT4 and convert it in the hand converter. In that way we get all relevant imformation, and its also much easier than remembering and typing in the hand manually. This was a final table hand, so knowing all the stack sizes would have been very relevant. Just for fun I created a scenario in ICMizer with the following information:

Tournament: $6,6 $6k 1000-man on WPN
Stack sizes: UTG 38BB, CO 25BB, BTN 11,5BB, SB 20BB, BB 15BB
Action: UTG minraise, hero is BTN

Heros jamming range is then 33+, AT+, A8s+, JTs+. So as I guessed, A9o is close but a fold.
 
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I saw the reveal only in the reply after I did the 'quote and reply' dealie. That's how I saw that the villain had pocket 8's. Hence my confusion on how hero lost the hand.
 
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My bad. river was an 8

I saw the reveal only in the reply after I did the 'quote and reply' dealie. That's how I saw that the villain had pocket 8's. Hence my confusion on how hero lost the hand.


My bad. The river was not a three, but an eight.
 
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There is serious and then there is SERIOUS

IAnyone, who are serious about online poker, should purchase PT4 or a similar tracker. Then if they want to share a hand history to the forum, they just export it from PT4 and convert it in the hand converter. In that way we get all relevant information, and its also much easier than remembering and typing in the hand manually. .
I have never been a professional, but back before Black Friday I was a serious amateur with a HUD and two "big" screens playing up tp eight tables mostly on Full Tilt. It took a while, but I finally got my bankroll back. .Since then, I have not put a dime of my own money on a poker site of questionable legality, and stopped playing online altogether for many years.

Here in Virginia, they had Bar Poker Tournaments at a few places close by and Charles Town, West Virginia is about 30 miles from my home where I scratched the poker itch occasionally. COVID closed Bar Poker and Charles Town closed their poker room. MGM and Maryland Live are open now, but further away. So I'm back to playing on line. Free Rolls for my stake and then try and run it up.

I am 68 and have been playing poker for 50 years, the first half of it before there was on-line poker, HUDs or simulators. I have found I enjoy playing live more than robotically flowing an ICM calculation. I find they are not very reliable when playing low stakes as most freeroll gamblers play too loose.

I guess the point is there is more than one way to skin a cat and they are all fun. I knew middling ace a was questionable jam and I would have folded to a shove. trying to ladder my bankroll up. Villain opted to min bet with 88 and then call with two over cards on the flop and call a raise. Did anyone expect her to have a pair of 8s? I thought I was going to lose to a better ace, not to a 2 outer on the river.
 
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I would only shove or fold this hand. Since its the final table, other stacks, payouts matter. So depending on that, I would decide.
 
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I have never been a professional, but back before Black Friday I was a serious amateur with a HUD and two "big" screens playing up tp eight tables mostly on Full Tilt. It took a while, but I finally got my bankroll back. .Since then, I have not put a dime of my own money on a poker site of questionable legality, and stopped playing online altogether for many years.

I am certainly not suggesting anyone to entrust all their retirement funds to any poker site, not even the regulated ones. But "not wanting to put a dime" seem like an extreme overreaction to me. If you deposited something like 500$, you could already play decent games like 5,5$ MTTs rather than waste your time (frankly) on silly freerolls. A bad evening in the local casino can easily cost you more than 500$, even if you play 1/2, and especially if you also spend money on food or drinks.

I have found I enjoy playing live more than robotically flowing an ICM calculation. I find they are not very reliable when playing low stakes as most freeroll gamblers play too loose.

But then you simply adjust the ranges accordingly. In order to make good adjustments, you need to know, what you are adjusting from. And I agree with you. In this situation I would not jam all the hands, ICMizer suggest, because I think, its likely, that one or more opponents in a freeroll are going to call to wide.

But the real issue in this hand is not about your range but your line. As I and others have said already, you should never call in this situation with any hand. The only exception would be, if you wanted to take a very exploitative line and call with AA or KK in the hope, that someone behind will shove on you. Otherwise you play push or fold, and this is just as fundamental as always coming in for a raise rather than a limp, if we are first to enter the pot from any other seat than SB.

The line, you took here, is a typical recreational player line. Trying to see a cheap flop, because your priority is to have fun rather than win. And obviusly folding is no fun. Thats why nearly all recreational players play to many hands and usually also play them in a passive way like this.

And its completely fine to be a recreational player. But if that is the case, there is no reason to share hands to a poker forum. Just go to the local casino, have fun talking to the other players, flirt a little with a pretty cocktail waitress, and maybe you get lucky and win some money as well. Its all good, and it does not require strategic analysis.

I guess the point is there is more than one way to skin a cat and they are all fun. I knew middling ace a was questionable jam and I would have folded to a shove. trying to ladder my bankroll up.

Putting in almost 20% of your remaining chips without even seeing a flop is absolutely terrible and the very reason, why we never cold call with such a short stack. If its not profitable to jam, then calling will lose you even more, and you should just fold.

Villain opted to min bet with 88 and then call with two over cards on the flop and call a raise. Did anyone expect her to have a pair of 8s? I thought I was going to lose to a better ace, not to a 2 outer on the river.

I am a little surpriced to see something like this on the final table, because now there are payjumps, and even though it was originally a freeroll, that tend to make people at least a bit more serious. But when you phrase it like this, I get a sense, that this is basically just a bad beat story. Which is ok, but there is a dedicated forum for those, so maybe consider posting there next time :)
 
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Fold or shove pre - I'd pick fold in this spot, but I don't think jamming is that bad of a move. I catch people jamming 7/5s and 9/8s all the time in the exact same spot you were in here - so A/9 o isn't really terrible.

But if I accidentally clicked the call button and hit this flop - I'm donk shoving every time.
 
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