$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Cc freeroll was this an acceptable pf flop call after a 4.5x 3bet after a 3x utg rais

[iflylight]

$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Cc freeroll was this an acceptable pf flop call after a 4.5x 3bet after a 3x utg rais

pokerstars Hand #136445975700: Tournament #1157987612, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2015/06/08 20:01:37 WET [2015/06/08 15:01:37 ET]
Table '1157987612 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: abdi122 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: NABSTER(RUS) (1700 in chips)
Seat 3: vinylspiros (1430 in chips)
Seat 4: kingdurrr (1330 in chips)
Seat 5: VG SHAA (1510 in chips)
Seat 6: alexis_55555 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: bee gees1971 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: scokyl (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Pak li163 (1530 in chips)
VG SHAA: posts small blind 10
alexis_55555: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kingdurrr [5d 7h]
bee gees1971: folds
scokyl: raises 40 to 60
Pak li163: folds
abdi122: calls 60
NABSTER(RUS): folds
vinylspiros: raises 210 to 270
kingdurrr: folds
VG SHAA: folds
alexis_55555: folds
scokyl: folds
abdi122: calls 210
*** FLOP *** [Jd Td 4h]
abdi122: checks
vinylspiros: bets 630
abdi122: raises 600 to 1230 and is all-in
vinylspiros: calls 530 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (70) returned to abdi122
*** TURN *** [Jd Td 4h] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Td 4h 4s] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
abdi122: shows [Jc 9c] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
vinylspiros: shows [Ad Ks] (a pair of Fours)
abdi122 collected 2950 from pot
vinylspiros finished the tournament in 90th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2950 | Rake 0
Board [Jd Td 4h 4s 9h]
Seat 1: abdi122 showed [Jc 9c] and won (2950) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 2: NABSTER(RUS) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: vinylspiros showed [Ad Ks] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: kingdurrr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VG SHAA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: alexis_55555 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: bee gees1971 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: scokyl folded before Flop
Seat 9: Pak li163 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


with this kind of hand it might be ok but i would have just folded

 

[naruto_miu]

Since your question was dictated towards preflop shouldn't you have just left It to the preflop action. Since that was your main question?


Also why didn't you convert your hand, just makes it easier too look over, just my take on It.

Another question, I'd like to ask, Is over villain's play post flop (Assume for a moment), you don't know his cards, would you make the same shove? Why If yes, and Why If no?

 

[Poker Orifice]

with this kind of hand it might be ok but i would have just folded

No. It won't be okay. Not if you want to strive to be a winning player that is.

The initial call of the utg1 raise there in eMP is TERRIBLE.
Calling the 3bet OOP is TERRIBLE.

It's difficult to say which is worse because both are real bad (I mean it'd seem obvious that calling the 3bet there is real bad.. but so is the call of the initial raise).

 

[iflylight]

No. It won't be okay. Not if you want to strive to be a winning player that is.

The initial call of the utg1 raise there in eMP is TERRIBLE.
Calling the 3bet OOP is TERRIBLE.

It's difficult to say which is worse because both are real bad (I mean it'd seem obvious that calling the 3bet there is real bad.. but so is the call of the initial raise).

i didnt mean i would call in this spot i would fold yeah i agree its very loose

 

[horizon12]

abdi122 played only for fun, it was easy fold preflop.

 

[toots babos]

I think the key deciding factor in this hand/play is that it's a freeroll so you've got nothing to lose ever but if you involved your own money then this is massively -EV and a one way ticket to being broke


Is there a reason you have posted this hand?

 

[Poker Orifice]

i didnt mean i would call in this spot i would fold yeah i agree its very loose

I didn't think you did mean that (but you did mention that it 'might be okay'... when clearly it is not). Not sure how you've interpretted what I said as having anything to do with that? I just answered the question in the initial post.

 

[iflylight]

I didn't think you did mean that (but you did mention that it 'might be okay'... when clearly it is not). Not sure how you've interpretted what I said as having anything to do with that? I just answered the question in the initial post.

what i meant in the op was that if you are going to play it like this and manage to hit a flush draw/ open ender or any top pair j9 will be completely undetected .

 

[AviCKter]

Its way too early in the tournament to play speculative hands, I would have folded here with hands like {AT, AJ, KQ}.

But if it were in the middle stages, I might be inclined to play a lot of speculative hands.