First hand MTT - what do u do here O8 Stars, $5.50

[Ronaldadio]

Interested to know what u would do here.

My notes tell me from past games that the guy on the button always raises on the button and the other guy always raises pot with A2xx

What would your move be here...

pokerstars Game #21396583398: Tournament #114746190, $5.00+$0.50 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/10/22 5:30:00 ET
Table '114746190 13' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Jumal666 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: iscream1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: nipok2002 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Princy01 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Temeku999 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: ronaldadio (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: artlifeAKQJX (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: suko111 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
iscream1: posts small blind 10
nipok2002: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ronaldadio [4h Ad Kh 5d]
Princy01: calls 20
Temeku999: folds
ronaldadio: calls 20
artlifeAKQJX: folds
suko111: folds
Jumal666: raises 60 to 80
iscream1: folds
suko111 is connected
nipok2002: raises 210 to 290
suko111 has returned
Princy01: folds
ronaldadio: calls 270
Jumal666: calls 210
*** FLOP *** [Th Jh Qh]
pminister is connected
nipok2002: bets 900
ronaldadio:

 

[c9h13no3]

Fold preflop, your low potential sucks, as does your position. As played, you probably should call down with the 2nd nuts without a real read. Raising is pretty pointless on that board.

 

[checkoutcardschat]

I am not a mathematician so please be warned.

These are the kinds of (non nuts) hands in O8 that drive you crazy.

I guess there are five kinds of hands to look at for the opponent:
1- AXh- you are screwed
2- XXh(not Ah)- happy, happy, joy, joy
3- 98h- extremely unlikely
4- trips- semi-good news but are you willing to risk it all during the first hand (I would think its more like if the board had an A or K based on preflop action)
5- Air- guy may be saying this bet will scare all non nuts hands out- he may have like a AA25

my guess is either 4 or 5- why would he bet that big with 1,2 or 3

Also one must factor the import of the $5.50 and playing poker. Are you going to play another tourney in the next day or so, is $5.50 1/2 your roll or 1/100th of your roll.

For me its a call.

regards

 

[Ronaldadio]

I guess there are five kinds of hands to look at for the opponent:
1- AXh- you are screwed
2- XXh(not Ah)- happy, happy, joy, joy
3- 98h- extremely unlikely
4- trips- semi-good news but are you willing to risk it all during the first hand (I would think its more like if the board had an A or K based on preflop action)
5- Air- guy may be saying this bet will scare all non nuts hands out- he may have like a AA25

my guess is either 4 or 5- why would he bet that big with 1,2 or 3

regards

I guess this is exactly my thought pattern. I alo agree with c9h13no3 about preflop but hindsight is a great thing

Here is how it played out...

PokerStars Game #21396583398: Tournament #114746190, $5.00+$0.50 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/10/22 5:30:00 ET
Table '114746190 13' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Jumal666 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: iscream1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: nipok2002 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Princy01 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Temeku999 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: ronaldadio (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: artlifeAKQJX (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: suko111 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
iscream1: posts small blind 10
nipok2002: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ronaldadio [4h Ad Kh 5d]
Princy01: calls 20
Temeku999: folds
ronaldadio: calls 20
artlifeAKQJX: folds
suko111: folds
Jumal666: raises 60 to 80
iscream1: folds
suko111 is connected
nipok2002: raises 210 to 290
suko111 has returned
Princy01: folds
ronaldadio: calls 270
Jumal666: calls 210
*** FLOP *** [Th Jh Qh]
pminister is connected
nipok2002: bets 900
ronaldadio: raises 310 to 1210 and is all-in
Jumal666: folds
nipok2002: calls 310 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Th Jh Qh] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Th Jh Qh 9s] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nipok2002: shows [Qc Tc 2h Ah] (HI: a flush, Ace high)
ronaldadio: shows [4h Ad Kh 5d] (HI: a flush, King high)
nipok2002 collected 3320 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3320 | Rake 0
Board [Th Jh Qh 9s 6d]
Seat 1: Jumal666 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: iscream1 (small blind) folded before Flop

 

[PC69]

To be honest and just to answer ur question, even if i had notes on the guy i most likely wouldnt even have played the hand.. Learn to fold preflop lol.. If we could all do that wed all be winners lol

 

[Ronaldadio]

To be honest and just to answer ur question, even if i had notes on the guy i most likely wouldnt even have played the hand.. Learn to fold preflop lol.. If we could all do that wed all be winners lol

I have just look back at my starting hand. I have 3 wheel cards and they are also double suited - one Ace high, one K high.

I don`t think this is a fold everytime. This is one of those hands u end up pricing yourself into by mistake

This is a hand I would not have posted if I had won.

 

[c9h13no3]

You do have 3 wheel cards, but you have almost no nut low potential.

In order for you to have a nut low draw, you need a 2 and a 3 to hit on the flop. This is a speculative hand, and you should really only be playing it in late position, preferably with initiative heads up against the blinds or in a large 5-6 way flop. This isn't like A23 or A34, where its much easier to make a nut low draw with counterfeit protection.

 

[dj11]

Unfortunatly I read the results before I write this.

Being that it is the first hand of this tourney, I fold preflop here. the limp was ok, but once that amount of pressure is exerted, it just isn't worth it. You called and got the worst possible flop. Too bad.

You knew the Axh was possible, all your lows out the window, and were banking on the 2nd nut flush being good.

It is far better to muck a 'would have been' winning hand than to chase 'all in' on the very first hand of a tourney.

Notice I put in bold FIRST HAND OF TOURNEY! Last thing any of us wants is the First Hand of Tourney Blues.

 

[Ronaldadio]

I know what u r saying, but all I was saying is the hand was not that bad.

 

[josh_dei8]

I fold. let some others knock each other down. Your 4 cards just arent working together that well.

 

[Ronaldadio]

Unfortunatly I read the results before I write this.

Being that it is the first hand of this tourney, I fold preflop here. the limp was ok, but once that amount of pressure is exerted, it just isn't worth it. You called and got the worst possible flop. Too bad.

You knew the Axh was possible, all your lows out the window, and were banking on the 2nd nut flush being good.

It is far better to muck a 'would have been' winning hand than to chase 'all in' on the very first hand of a tourney.

Notice I put in bold FIRST HAND OF TOURNEY! Last thing any of us wants is the First Hand of Tourney Blues.

I`m probably the opposite. I would prefer to go out early, even the first hand, with the chance to double up, rather fold the 2nd nuts.

I know this is a choice thing, but playing online u can move on to the next game very quickly.

I am still not saying it was the correct play by me preflop. This is one of those, what I call "falling off a cliff" hand. I limped - ok. I then called a raise which was not the best move but I fel I`m a good enough player to fold if I miss the flop.

However, the only hand that beats me after the flop is Axh/ 89h.

So, what I`m saying is, the preflop play was poor, but if u r going to fold that hand on the flop early in a MTT, u should give up playing poker.

It is the equivelent to folding KK in the first hand of a NLHE game `cause the other guy that u don`t have a read on might have AA.

Just my opinion.

The "cliff" reference. What I mean is sometimes u enter a hand that u wish u had not and find yourself in a situation where u are priced in all the way so u can`t fold - like jumping off a cliff, once u jump u ain`t going back