Couple of hands from Tenbob's HH

Dorkus Malorkus

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I've recorded the vid with these hands in now, but just thought they would be nice to post because they're quite interesting (there are a lot of other interesting hands but if I were to try and find and post them all I'd be here all night).

#1 - Table is pretty ordinary, nothing very out of line going on. Is this a justifiable fold?

fulltiltpoker Game #1559256793: $11,000 Guarantee (10917977), Table 32 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 2007/01/08 - 17:33:50 ET
Seat 1: jscullypoker (102,046)
Seat 2: divebomber (7,200)
Seat 4: pothaula (10,590)
Seat 5: tenbob (97,766)
Seat 6: benta_tres (52,127)
Seat 7: TrickDaddymc (26,578)
Seat 9: slaveofdagov (39,581)
jscullypoker antes 300
divebomber antes 300
pothaula antes 300
tenbob antes 300
benta_tres antes 300
TrickDaddymc antes 300
slaveofdagov antes 300
divebomber posts the small blind of 1,200
pothaula posts the big blind of 2,400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tenbob [Qs Ad]
tenbob folds

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#2 - Again, table playing pretty ordinarily for this time in a tourney. Neither of the preflop raisers has done anything incredibly notable although the preflop reraiser has been relatively active without showing a lot down. Good fold or weak?

*********** # 185 **************
FullTiltPoker Game #1559078884: $11,000 Guarantee (10917977), Table 32 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 2007/01/08 - 17:03:03 ET
Seat 1: SlimFreakie (40,431)
Seat 2: divebomber (9,175)
Seat 3: Waters81 (32,111)
Seat 4: doubledz (15,108)
Seat 5: tenbob (50,142)
Seat 6: benta_tres (36,002)
Seat 7: TrickDaddymc (26,953)
Seat 8: kapakuras (19,080)
Seat 9: slaveofdagov (22,581), is sitting out
SlimFreakie antes 150
divebomber antes 150
Waters81 antes 150
doubledz antes 150
tenbob antes 150
benta_tres antes 150
TrickDaddymc antes 150
kapakuras antes 150
slaveofdagov antes 150
tenbob posts the small blind of 600
benta_tres posts the big blind of 1,200
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tenbob [Ts Tc]
TrickDaddymc raises to 2,900
kapakuras folds
slaveofdagov folds
SlimFreakie folds
divebomber folds
Waters81 raises to 4,600
doubledz has 15 seconds left to act
doubledz folds
tenbob folds

I'll post thoughts (and you'll hear my commentary in the vid when I get around to uploading it :p) later.
 
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#1 - 7-handed I say please don't fold this, but realistically it's probably not all that unprofitable to fold.

#2 - I like this fold fine. The UTG raise looks very strong and then an already scary raise has been re-raised. Even if they're not as strong as they look, we're in awful position. If we don't flop a set, we lose this hand/are pushed out way too often (i.e. almost every time).
 
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#1 is a fold in my book.

#2 is a fold too I think. You are calling 4000 into a 10650 pot. There is the possibility this gets re-raised all-in too, in which case you have to fold. Then you are 7.5:1 to hit a 10. You're implieds are around 7.4:1 if you get one of them to stack off. This is all pretty marginal though considering your current position, so a fold is probably best. You guys agree with this?
 
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Both are justifiable.Personnally i dont think id have folded first one but would have folded second.
 
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This may be a bit above my skill level, but hand #1 I'm raising 3-4x the bb. Fold to a re-raise from another player, but willing to call an all-in from the SB or BB.

#2 - folding after a raise & re-raise is just fine!
 
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I'm surprised how much support there appears to be for folding in hand 1, UTG and comfortably stacked at a normal 7-handed table with two shortstacks in the blinds with a good hand. I really do think folding here is weak. The blinds will commit their stack with a huge range of hands because they're so desperate, and MP/LP players are less likely to try and resteal with anything marginal because (a) we raised UTG, and (b) the likelihood of the blinds shoving means that any restealer will probably have to show his/her hand down.

Second hand is a really clear fold. TT is just not good here against a small UTG raise and a small MP reraise. We can't call because of stack sizes (and the fact UTG could come back over the top), so if we want to play we have to shove, and there's absolutely no need to here. Yeah, you could be against AK and AK or have run into two donks with KTs and 99, but it's very unlikely and given no 'over-aggro donk' reads we have to give at least one of the two players credit for a hand better than TT.
 
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Hand 1. Raise it up and see what happens

Hand 2. Fold

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I'm surprised how much support there appears to be for folding in hand 1, UTG and comfortably stacked at a normal 7-handed table with two shortstacks in the blinds with a good hand. I really do think folding here is weak. The blinds will commit their stack with a huge range of hands because they're so desperate, and MP/LP players are less likely to try and resteal with anything marginal because (a) we raised UTG, and (b) the likelihood of the blinds shoving means that any restealer will probably have to show his/her hand down.
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I completely agree with Chris here. I raise this every time - you will probably either steal the blinds or a short stack will push with something less than what we have.

As everyone else here said, fold hand #2
 
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There is a reason for folding hand 1. I wont tell ye why yet
Hand 2 - Standard
 
zebranky

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easy

defintely fold on hand 2 - raise/re-raise in front of you, easy fold from your position.

1st hand - AQos UTG. I would be tempted to put in a small raise here (3 or 4x BB), as a raise from UTG always looks strong, but be ready to check/fold on the flop if you don't hit at least a pair. AT I would fold here, but AQ is still playable - as long as you can drop it on a missed flop.
 
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I'm looking forward to the video as well as Tenbob's reason for folding #1.

I'd be expecting SB or BB or both to push as they're both short; looks like a good time to take one or or both out.
 
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The two raisers in hand 2 showed QQ and JJ, for what it's worth.
 
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