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No real read on my opponent. I had been playing very aggressively, raising and reraising a lot of hands PF. Only thing is I didnt think my opponents hand was that strong after just cold calling my PFR.

full tilt poker Game #3076848416: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (23498997) Table 8 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:29:36 ET - 2007/07/27
Seat 1: AceJack18 (12 160)
Seat 2: tonypm (6 485)
Seat 3: FREEDOM548 (5 070)
Seat 4: Paperslc 1 (2 545)
Seat 5: PokerDude 20817 (2 215)
Seat 6: ERADIC 1 (12 743)
Seat 7: Philthy (4 020)
Seat 8: servman66 (1 720) is sitting out
Seat 9: wryven (3 000)
wryven posts the small blind of 60
AceJack18 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #8

Holecards:
Dealt to Philthy [ Jh Js ]
tonypm raises to 240
FREEDOM548 folds
Paperslc 1 folds
PokerDude 20817 has 15 seconds left to act
PokerDude 20817 folds
ERADIC 1 calls 240
Philthy has 15 seconds left to act
Philthy raises to 850
servman66 folds
wryven folds
AceJack18 folds
tonypm calls 610
ERADIC 1 folds

Flop :
[ 4d 3s 5c ]
tonypm checks
Philthy has 15 seconds left to act
Philthy bets 1 400
tonypm calls 1 400

Turn : [ 4d 3s 5c ] [ 5s ]
tonypm bets 4,235, and is all in
Philthy has 15 seconds left to act
wryven has been disconnected

So, call or fold? What hand do you put the opponent on?
 
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well interesting situation.

1st let me go into what I think he has.

A2 and 67 are possibles.

I dont think 5 is just calling that flop.

set of threes and fours are possible but its weird to play it that way but also smart to overbet because you could get action from someone thinking you are shoving on draw.

overpair is very possible but I doubt its KK or AA or QQ unless this player is very very tricky. 66 - TT is very possible, so as you see there are a lot of hands thats he could have that follow his line and what I always do when I really know is just fold and wait for better time. I cant read your hand history too well though so I cant see how pot commited you are.
 
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im gonna say he has A5 or 44 or 33 and maybe even A2 if its a loose players. 67 suited is possible too. to be honest i cant really make a read on yr opponent if i dont know what kind of style or how loose yr opponent is
 
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Philthy calls 1 770 and is all in
tonypm shows [ 10h 10s ]
wryven has reconnected
Philthy shows [ Jh Js ]
Uncalled bet of 2 465 returned to tonypm

River :
[ 4d 3s 5c 5s ] [ 9d ]
tonypm shows two pair Tens and Fives
Philthy shows two pair Jacks and Fives
Philthy wins the pot (8 460) with two pair Jacks and Fives

SUMMARY:
Total pot 8 460 | Rake 0
Board:
[ 4d 3s 5c 5s 9d ]
Seat 1: AceJack18 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: tonypm showed [ 10h 10s ] and lost with two pair Tens and Fives
Seat 3: FREEDOM548 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Paperslc 1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: PokerDude 20817 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ERADIC 1 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Philthy showed [ Jh Js ] and won (8 460) with two pair Jacks and Fives
Seat 8: servman66 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: wryven (small blind) folded before the Flop

It was a pretty hard call for me to make. It was possible that my opponent could've flopped a a straight, but that would mean him calling a raise and a reraise with A2 or 67. His call on the flop was a bit fishy. I doubt he'd call on just a straight draw alone, so I was thinking he had an over pair to the board. QQ-AA in this situation didnt seem right unless he was slow playing them. Possibility, but I think 66-1010 was more likely.

And there is the chance of him holding a flopped set, but his turn push didnt make sense because he was killing his action. Unless he thought I put him on a 5 and was afraid that I wouldnt bet. More likely than not, if I had bet and he pushed I would have to call my hand because I would've been committed. His turn bet gave me the option of folding my hand and him not getting paid. It just seemed really out of line. It felt like a semi-bluff; either the straight draw and/or possibly the flush draw as well. If he was trying to be tricky and it worked, then good for him.

Pocket 66 were a big possibility of a hand he could've been holding, giving him an over pair + a straight draw. I couldnt put him on a specific hand, but I was certain I had him beat.


It was still a risky call on my part.
 
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nice i was actually thinking he/she might have 66 but it was a hard call to make i would have to say. nh and good call
 
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think you've well read the situation!
For me too a flopped strt was unthinkable (with A2 or 67 your raise would have been hard to call), so the only possibility was AK-AQ (or even AJ depending on the player) or a Pair. But not a big pair, for playing it slow it's a too big risk.
By my side, well done!!!;)
 
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