Anybody folding here????

[d4tart]

This past week I decide to play in my local casinos tournament for $65 and you're given 12,000 in chips. I have never played with these people before and have little to no reads. I only play about 2 orbits and the table seems to be for the most part conservative other than the guy to my left who was involved in every pot. He eventually loses a large pot and is now short stacked. Blinds are now 100/200. I'm in the BB and he moves All-In for 2,000. UTG+1 folds, and is followed by the next 3 players calling, 2 folds and the SB going all in for 12,000. I look down at KK and move all in. The first caller snap calls which is followed by folds from the 2 other callers and I know he has AA. The LAG turns over A2 suited , the first caller turns over AA and the SB turns over AQ. The board runs out rags and the AA takes it down.

Is anybody folding in this spot? Or is it just unlucky? Any thoughts?

 

[Archer_eSp]

unlucky gg wp

too much dead money to fold, i can say fold is a big mistake

 

[widron2s]

That was a rookie mistake. It comes with time, but if 2 people call before you, unless you have AA, fold. There's no reason to be calling off your chips when 2 other people make a call on his all in. Lay it down.

 

[horizon12]

Pot very big now , so easy shove here, very often someone will have AA...

 

[hffjd2000]

Why such hesitation.

Live or online, putting all chips in the center is the correct move.

 

[MCMPLUMBER]

I feel like the all in and reshove all in (20k+ in pot) makes me have to throw it away. Tournament poker is not a sprint but a marathon and your best weapon is to fold and fight another day. But at the same time it all depends on my read at the table. Obviously the loose cannon is short stacked and means nothing in this hand. If the other guy has only played 2 pots in that amount of time then its tricky. I usually follow my reads there so having none doesnt help the situation for me.

 

[sardyn1987]

You must ship it, on this type tournaments they rarely show AA, Of course sometimes you lost cheaps vs oponents JQo but long run is the most important thing, so i never fold that hand

 

[eidikos]

hi!
well played,you were unlucky there it was a set up
have in mind that is very good to have the loose player left to you because after his acting you can see what the hole table will do before you play
good luck next time

 

[nygmen2007]

WIthout any reads, you made the right play and it is unlucky, you are trying to build chips to make a deep run. Just unlucky that all aces were out there, and your king did not hit.. Good luck next time You hit the jackpot by having an agressive player at your table, it just gave everyone else a read to play. guy just woke up with AA.. nothing can be done...

 

[sryImPro]

too many players involved, so i think that fold here is right move and i don't say that just because i know the outcome of this situation...Yes, that was a great situation to make a decent stack but once again, to many players involved for preflop all in :/

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

there are very very very few situations where folding KK preflop is OK. I don't think you can fold here.

Basically, you have to be deep stacked enough vs. a tight player and they have to 5 or 6 bet you narrowing their range down to exactly AA but that's not enough, you have to still have enough behind that you can fold....for example if 80% of your chips are already in the pot then you shouldn't fold to their 6bet even if you know they have AA.

in other words, KK vs AA all in preflop is just unlucky pretty much 100% of the time.

Example: effective stacks 15,000 blinds 25/50
tight player raises to 150
I 3bet to 450 with KK
tight player 4bets to 1,200
I 5bet to 3,000
tight player moves all in. You can maybe tank fold KK here.

Another example, effective stacks 15,000 blinds 100/200
I raise to 600 with KK
tight player 3bets to 1,800
I 4bet to 4,500
tight player moves all in. tough call, but folding is still maybe OK but really hard to do.

Another example: effective stacks 15,000 blinds are 200/400
tight player raises to 1,200
I 3bet to 3,600 with KK
Tight player 4bets to 7,500
I don't think stacks are deep enough here to do anything besides move all in. Yes, sometimes he'll have AA but sometimes he'll have AK or QQ.

 

[bredstik]

Yeah, that's really tough. I would have called with KK. Only 1 starting hand is better, and it's definitely possible that yours was the best hand. Many people go all in with any high pocket pairs or Ace/Face hands. The only aspect that gives me pause is that it's so early in the game and you essentially had to go all in. Normally I'd try to avoid that with so many callers early on unless you're sure you have the best hand. If it was say 75% of your stack or less, I'd have snap called also. Still, with the 2nd best hand I think you did the right thing calling here.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Secret to winning final tables or being consistent is to avoid coin flips... And this is one spot where ur flipping huge.

Each opponent decreases the chances of you losing the pot. Best scenario ur hoping is they all have a strong A and have each others outs.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

Secret to winning final tables or being consistent is to avoid coin flips... And this is one spot where ur flipping huge.

Each opponent decreases the chances of you losing the pot. Best scenario ur hoping is they all have a strong A and have each others outs.

KK is never ever ever ever flipping vs any hand.

it is usually crushing and very occasionally crushed.

 

[VinnyStrat]

Maybe shoving is the right move at that point, but you shoved with 6 people still in the hand and there's more things that can go wrong than can go right at that point. It's a lot to risk so early in a tournament.

 

[spazdm]

I have to say folding with all those people in on it, plus the re-raise is the best choice. Though it would be very hard for me to do it, I learn more and more each day from the pro's here in this forum that still being in the game is better than risking it to not the best hand pre-flop. You could have still been in and potentially taken more money or the whole tourney down if you folded. Plus you would feel like a pro if you fold great hands and live to tell about it Well good luck all members in here.

 

[HooDooKoo]

Folding here is the worst possible play. Seriously.

-HooDooKoo

 

[bremensha]

you are either a small underdog in a multiway pot (22% hitting trips) or a big favourite. Make it 80% that someone has aces and it is still a good call.