all in bluff

Osmann

Osmann

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I was playing a freeroll with around 170 people tonight, and this was one of the important hands for me. There were around 120 people left and I had aproximately 1600 in chips and the BB had around 2000. I was in the small blind with J♣K♣, and the blinds were 30/60.

UTG calls, everybody folds around to me who call. The BB raise to 300 and the UTG folds. The BB was a decent player and I was pretty sure he was playing a big pocket pair or a big ace (AQ or AK). I decided to call, because I felt I had a much better read on him than he had on me. He was playing very tight/aggresive but also very predictable. So I thought if the right flop came I could double up.

Anyway, the flop came 4♦ 7♥ A♣. I checked the flop, and he emmidiately bets out 500. Before I had checked the flop, I had decided if he made a big bet (500 is a big bet in this situation) I would raise all-in. So when he bet I raised all in. The reason was that the big ace I knew he could have, would probably want me to call, so would probably make a smaller bet. After my raise he had to call 800 in order to win the 1660 already in the pot.

This was some of the info, but my question is, would you ever do a "kamikaze" move like this, or simply say: He's got the best hand, so let him have it"

I know that it is difficult to advice people on when to bluff because when you bluff you are often on a "gutt" fealing, but I would like some advice anyway.
 
Osmann

Osmann

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Then I would have no information at all before I made the move. The bet he made was the reason I thought I knew what he had. If I had pushed first I could be trying to bluff AK for all I knew.
 
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chicubs1616

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The BB was a decent player and I was pretty sure he was playing a big pocket pair or a big ace (AQ or AK). I decided to call, because I felt I had a much better read on him than he had on me. He was playing very tight/aggresive but also very predictable. So I thought if the right flop came I could double up.

Having a much better read on him makes up for you being out of position here. Personally, I would fold after he re-raised to 300 preflop simply because KJ is a hand that I do not want to play out of position and he almost certainly has you dominated at this point (ie. AK, AJ, JJ-AA). If your "read" is correct, then you should fold preflop instead of playing a big pot with a tight player out of position.

When you speak of "the right flop", what exactly is that if his range of hands here are lets say AJ-AK, JJ-AA?? 2-7-9? 3-J-8? Even if you hit your hand (ok you might win if you hit KKJ or something random like that), you are most likely still going to be behind here if he is playing a hand in this range.

Just fold preflop after he raises, thats a lot of your stack (~20%) to be calling out of position with a marginal hand preflop.

Also, your flop push is bad IMO. He's calling with hands that certainly have you beat (i.e. AK, AQ, AJ) and he is probably calling anyways with JJ-KK just because he has put so much money in the pot (not correct thinking on his part but that is a thought process players have).

All in all...FOLD preflop.

I don't 'kamikaze' raise as you call it on a stone cold bluff. If this guy has been making a lot of 1/2 pot sized continuation bets, then maybe I push with nothing to try and steal a pot. However, him putting 500 of his remaining 1700 into a pot that he raised 5x the BB preflop tells me he has a hand, and will call your push.
 
Alon Ipser

Alon Ipser

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I don't understand if you put him on AK or AQ and an A came on the flop how were you going to bluff him off AA with a kicker. I think if you want to bluff at the pot you do it preflop but If you say this guy was solid, I would have folded to his preflop raise. How did it turn out?
 
Osmann

Osmann

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Because of the big bet on the flop I was pretty sure he didn't have a big ace, which he didn't. After a lot of thinking, he layed the hand down, and told me he layed down QQ. I know it my hand should have beeen layed down preflop, but I was tired, and it was only a freeroll.

When thinking of it if I had had a hand like QQ in his position, I probably would have layed it down if a chackraise came on the flop.
 
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