AK UTG

[Aces2w1n]

Alright in later stages getting closish to bubble... Should we be shoving this or just raising?


PokerStars - $1+$0.10|8000/16000 Ante 1600 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 194,360 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 10)
BTN: 159,127 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 102,887 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BB: 469,066 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 367,807 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG+1: 100,894 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG+2: 528,918 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 590,272 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (MP+1): 400,212

9 players post ante of 1,600, SB posts SB 8,000, BB posts BB 16,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 38,400) Hero has A:club: K:heart:

fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 32,000, Hero raises to 398,612 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 366,612

Flop: (835,624, 2 players) K:diamond: J:heart: 8:spade:

Turn: (835,624, 2 players) 5:diamond:

River: (835,624, 2 players) 7:diamond:

 

[Aces2w1n]

PokerStars - $1+$0.10|6000/12000 Ante 1200 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 199,560 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP+1: 193,127 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 106,487 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: 408,666 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 383,807 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 144,894 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 245,459 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG+1: 795,978 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (UTG+2): 435,565

9 players post ante of 1,200, SB posts SB 6,000, BB posts BB 12,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 28,800) Hero has Q:heart: K:heart:

UTG calls 12,000, fold, Hero raises to 434,365 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 232,259 and is all-in

Flop: (517,318, 2 players) 9:diamond: 8:spade: Q:diamond:

Turn: (517,318, 2 players) J:spade:

River: (517,318, 2 players) 7:spade:




This was a couple hands before AK... inbetween I doubled up with a flush heh crazy period of the tourney where the serious players I guess are looking to get deep stacked into the money.

In the back of my mind hands like AQ and KQ could be suicidal.... but live play I'm happy to shove AJ a lot more.

 

[VTedd]

Ok, so here is how you should be thinking with AK UTG in a tournament. You have to ask yourself a few questions before deciding what the correct move for your strategy is. First ask, am I willing to risk all my chips against a villian at this stack size/stage of the tournament with my hand?
If you say no, maybe just raise it up and re-evaluate after it gets passed around to you. If you say yes, I would say the correct decision is to open shove this here. For one reason, Ace King is a hand that you would like to pick up the blinds/antes with for the most part. This means you want to have maximum fold equity against your opponents. If you open raise with AK, your opponents have a chance to come over the top with a wider range of hands than they would have called an open shove to. Not to mention how strong the UTG open shove looks: people will be very afraid of aces if they are thinking players.

Hope this helped

 

[Swickster007]

I wouldn't shove AK o late in a tourney, probably just call to see what hits.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Can't see how shoving 36bb's in eMP over a UTG (20bb stack) limper with KQ is ever going to be optimal.
w/o some player reads... 'who knows' what range utg (20bb) is open-limping with (could be AA if it's been completely out of character for them... but we don't know because we have zero info.)

 

[jj20002]

in this situation you can consider folding AK, no need for risk in the bubble

if somebody shove (looking for fold equity) probably has a pair (like 88 or 99) or maybe Ax

anyway your hand is too vulnerable to be busted if you pay a shover therefore it looks silly to be busted in the bubble, say, in a coin flip, so for me is a fold most of the time unless (and is not your case) you are the chip leader and few could damage your stack so then you can play it freely (raising or shoving)

 

[Aces2w1n]

Yeah the problem was if I decided to slow play the AK and just flat call... It's hard to get away with it even with K on the board. say I flat called... I guess I could've pot controlled by checking and if he's quite scared/passive guy he could raise a lil but unlikely at this stage of a tourney. It was allin or nothing for the last 20-30mins. Tad frustrating cause I could see the light when ppls stacks got deepish again.

The only way I could possibly get out of this hand is if I believed he had the flush lol ... I dunno I just learnt that im better off accelerating around the bubble and try and boost my chips as much as I can while everyone else tightens up crazy.

 

[Arjonius]

AK. Why not 3bet?

KQs. Why not raise to iso the limper?

Both these actions seem preferable to shoving.

 

[hffjd2000]

Your stack is still healthy and can pass bubble so why make a move?

Most likely he will call and I guess its a coin flip.

 

[theRaven68]

in the bubble AK often become disasterous surprise, you have pretty good stuck, why gambling with it

 

[kanselau]

in both cases you have a healthy stack and dont need to gamble.

If you 3 bet AK in early pos you are looking strong , by shoving you actually look weaker IMO and when called you are usually a slight dog.
Just raise and call off the short stack shoves and considering folding to shoves that can eliminate you from the tornament.

I think that AK is the most over rated hand in poker , afterall its just a drawing hand.

Putting in 36 BB with KQ in early position is just bad , with a 3 bet you are looking preety strong here and can be preety shore your behind if someone 4 bets , in witch case you will fold and still have a healthy stack.

 

[DonkeyH3AD]

call, when someone bet, rerasie him if tight player all in fold if constant rasier call all in but rarely...if its not late level tournament.

 

[joe777]

I think if you are near or in the bubble you should avoid any confrontation with the villain that have bigger stacks than you do.But...it also depend on whether the villain is a tight player or just a donk.I would had surely shoved if i am against a constant raiser.

 

[horizon12]

In first hand stack very deep wat shove, enough 3bet and fold on shove villain, in bubble when very deep stack no need play in marginal situathion.

In second hand fold , we can shove KQs only in MP, after our shove have many players who have less 15bb and dont think what we have enough fold equit.

 

[X at Tripaces]

I dunno I just learnt that im better off accelerating around the bubble and try and boost my chips as much as I can while everyone else tightens up crazy.

This IS a great time to stack chips if the table allows it. If you have a bunch of people playing over their bankroll limits, or close to... that are sooooo worried about making the money... then yeah, get aggressive and stack those blinds/antes. I like the shove with AK personally... like you said (and is so common for this stage of tny play online) it is an all in fest around bubble time. You cant be afraid to lose if your going to make it deep.. and if all your concerned about is making the money, why are you playing MTT's?

 

[Arjonius]

RAISE WITH A DEEP STACK BETEER NO?

Actually making the effort to post something thoughtful and potentially helpful instead of post after post with only a few words each to increase your post count - better, no?

 

[nykaktak]

even if just the hero has called the bet,seeing K on the flop ,he never would have thrown fold,and the result was exactly the same,it is difficult to talk about it in this situation

 

[A2345Razz]

Small three bet and play pot in POS(hopefully) in the first hand.....

Standard raise in 2nd. You should never be shoving that deep like that...just open shipping. Why are we sooo afraid of playing post flop?

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

Small three bet and play pot in POS(hopefully) in the first hand.....

Standard raise in 2nd. You should never be shoving that deep like that...just open shipping. Why are we sooo afraid of playing post flop?

yes. this.

also, in the first hand with AKo...before you make your 3bet you should already know who's shoves you will call and who's you will fold to based on their stack sizes and ranges.

so if you already know you will call the shove of the opening raiser (because his stack is short, or because he is loose; or ideally both) then you can make your 3bet a tad bit bigger to discourage action from other non-premium hands.

 

[Rldetheflop]

I should probably stay out of the mtt threads since Im mainly an stt'er but here are my thoughts. Keep in mind that this is solely for my own educational purposes.

clearly hand 2 is kind of spazzy just min-2.1x raise

Hand 1:

Can we really 3bet/fold with ~16 ABB? Flatting this shallow doesnt seem like a great option either although in position may not be horrible.

If we can't 3bet/fold wouldn't shoving be optimal to get as much fold equity as possible to fold out medium PPs behind us?

 

[suby_rafael]

I think in the first hand where you had AK, a shove was not necessary and instead a 3bet or even a flat call would have been a better idea. I say this because we have around 25 big blinds which is enough to play poker rather than beginning a shovefest. Also the player who raised has you covered stackwise. We are approaching bubble so we should not risk our stack pre flop with a hand like AK. It is a very good hand no doubt but not a premium hand in my mind, because if villain calls us with pockets and we fail to connect then we will be out of the tournament.

In the second hand shoving QK from early position is not a good move. You have close to 40 bb and open shoving QK is not a good strategy. You should have considered raising 2 to 3 blinds or flat calling since UTG had limped.:vroam: