AK suited under the gun

[Ihatecowboys]

Here's a hand that my friend had a question about. He was PFRing about 25% of the time, and already folded once to a reraise from his UTG raise. I said that calling is the worst option here and lean towards pushing, but my friend says that someone was trying to tell him that it'd be best to just fold. He thinks that calling was a decent option which I don't agree with at all...

pokerstars Game #22153386258: Tournament #120443156, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/11/18 14:57:13 ET
Table '120443156 381' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: brandybock (6565 in chips)
Seat 2: gakins (23751 in chips)
Seat 3: moye77 (4740 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero (19919 in chips)
Seat 5: jopie.64. (12209 in chips)
Seat 6: bizool (3920 in chips)
Seat 7: Myxj12 (16817 in chips)
Seat 8: 246Thor (28570 in chips)
Seat 9: richard00025 (9727 in chips)
brandybock: posts the ante 25
gakins: posts the ante 25
moye77: posts the ante 25
Hero: posts the ante 25
jopie.64.: posts the ante 25
bizool: posts the ante 25
Myxj12: posts the ante 25
246Thor: posts the ante 25
richard00025: posts the ante 25
brandybock: posts small blind 150
gakins: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ks As]
moye77: folds
Hero: raises 525 to 825
jopie.64.: folds
bizool: folds
Myxj12: folds
246Thor: folds
richard00025: folds
brandybock: folds
gakins: raises 3375 to 4200
Hero: raises 15694 to 19894 and is all-in
gakins: calls 15694
*** FLOP *** [8s 6c 3d]
*** TURN *** [8s 6c 3d] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [8s 6c 3d 5s] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gakins: shows [Kh Kc] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
Hero: shows [Ks As] (a pair of Eights)
gakins collected 40163 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40163 | Rake 0
Board [8s 6c 3d 5s 8d]
Seat 1: brandybock (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: gakins (big blind) showed [Kh Kc] and won (40163) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 3: moye77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Hero showed [Ks As] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 5: jopie.64. folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bizool folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Myxj12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 246Thor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: richard00025 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Chief_X_LRG]

I have to agree Shove or Fold. Calling for 25% of your stack, would be pretty weak with a drawing hand. Villian raising 25% of his hands PF makes it a tough fold, but I think at best hero is looking at a race for all of his chips unless Villian has been pulling this type of play before defending his blind. Folding here is no shame as hero only had 4%-5% of his stack in here.

 

[Ihatecowboys]

Sorry, my friend was PFRing 25% of the time, which might make villain more likely to do this with a strong ace or maybe a mid pocket pair, which should get forced out by the shove. QQ probably wont but may fold. JJ is more likely folding I would say, same with TT.

and it was from 2nd to act, not under the gun, but still very early position so kinda irrelevant.

 

[james.g12]

hmmm

but ur friend had to have thought maybe it was a possiblity, the other dude had a set of eights or the aces u speak of. iunno that was a good call or not i woulda folded my ak to be honest, its juss not worth to go all in with ak when there a possible set on the table get where im comin from, but of course i dont know how that other guy was playin b4 this hand its hard to say

 

[james.g12]

but again u he went all in preflop it was a coin flip i miss read what u had typed they were both really good hands what can ya do right ?

 

[Jillychemung]

What was the read on the opponent? Knowing your own stats is good but we really need some read on the opponent. W/O a read I have to lay AKs down to a reraise. Now if the opponent was a 65/32 then I have no problem w/ the shove here but if opponent was a 12/10 then it's an autofold.

 

[ncscout]

Hard to fold that hand in a tourny or ring game. It would all come down to how the villian had been playing to me. If I didn't have a good read, I would probably fold it.

 

[Inscore77]

You're right about calling, definately not an option. What are reads/stats on villain? I would most likely fold in this situation. Stacks are so deep, your friend is not going to lose a lot of ground compared to the field by folding, but getting all in could result in being knocked out. AK is only 33%(I think, correct me if I am wrong) to hit on the flop, and even if they have 7 2, if they hit the 2 and you dont improve youre beat. If you had a smaller stack than you did here, for instance lets say 20bb, insta push. 65 bb's is too much to risk for AK though oop