Ace 7 of diamonds final table

[telboy]

Went to my local casino in the UK last saturday and played in a Tournament.

£25.00 entrant fee, 5000 chips, 28 players, pays out 6 with 6th place getting £60.00

I am on final table, Binds 500/1000 no ante, 8 players left, i am in 8th place with 9 BB left, 7th place with 11 BBs, 6th place with 13 BBs.

1 am in the BB with A7 D, 5 players limp in, not the 6th & 7th place players.

First queston, what would you do, check to see a flop or go all in? I checked to see a flop.

Flop comes 3 6 Ds 10H, Queston 2 SB checks, Would you check or go all in ?
I checked.

Big stack checks 2nd Big stack bets just over 5,000, folds to me

3rd Queston, would you call fold or go all in ?

I went all in, big stack folds 2nd big stack calls, He has K10 os, I didn't hit and i was out in 8th place.

I think i played this hand so badly. How would all of you played it ?

Telboy

 

[forsakenone]

I like shove postflop. Time to take your chances with the flush draw, and from what i know, if you get called even the A might be good for outs, that's how bad they play at casinos.

With 5 limpers preflop i would not shove this from the BB.

 

[jbbb]

I like shove postflop. Time to take your chances with the flush draw, and from what i know, if you get called even the A might be good for outs, that's how bad they play at casinos.

With 5 limpers preflop i would not shove this from the BB.

Why no shove pre flop? I think you still have fold equity against people with 20 - 25BB and your suited ace could be ahead. The range of limpers is going to be weak and if anyone hasn't raised (unless trapping) I don't think they'd call an all in.

 

[MediaBLITZ]

I may have checked preflop to all those limps or more likely shoved - it would have totally depended on my read on the other players at the table - so call it 60/40 I shove. This makes everyone else have to put up or shut up while making it very difficult for them to put you on a hand (assuming you didn't reveal any donktitude earlier). Someone will probably have to decide to gamble to call that bet (definitely like K-To).

After the flop - I am definitely shoving here. I got what I wanted - outs, not to mention a flop that more than likely missed most everyone else. Yeah, it's true I am SCREAMING flush draw but like I said, the board isn't that great. Let's say someone flopped top pair (T) - that means 3 more outs for me.
I am sure not going to let someone else take control and bet $5k that puts me in the position of having to make the hard decision - be aggressive and make them have to figure it out. Will that top pair call your shove? Probably, but it is possible he could put you on an overpair and fold. No chance for that the way it was played. He pot committed himself. If you thought there was even a chance he would fold after your shove - BIG MISCALCULATION.

If I actually did end up in the position of having to call or raise that $5k bet - I have to seriously consider folding because now I know I am truly behind with the bubble hot on my ass. I'll shove but I lost control way before that.

 

[Pascal-lf]

Shove pre, towards the bottom of our range for aces but it's soooted and lots in the middle

 

[cjatud2012]

Why no shove pre flop? I think you still have fold equity against people with 20 - 25BB and your suited ace could be ahead. The range of limpers is going to be weak and if anyone hasn't raised (unless trapping) I don't think they'd call an all in.

I don't think you're going to get all five limpers to fold very often, especially in a live game.

I would open-shove that flop after the SB checks it, cause you're never gonna be able to check raise, and calling all-in on a draw is far worse than pushing all-in with a draw.

 

[MediaBLITZ]

calling all-in on a draw is far worse than pushing all-in with a draw.

Okay, now that's what I took the long way around to say. Nicely put.

 

[Pascal-lf]

I don't think you're going to get all five limpers to fold very often, especially in a live game.

We don't need all 5 limpers to fold though? They are going to be limping a ridic wide range and even assuming we run into 2 callers who have the top 20% of their range we've still got very good equity...(~30%), and that's probably a worst case scenario. The money in the middle is equal to our stack!

On the flop easy shove to iso any potential callers.

 

[Lofwyr]

I think with a table full of limps your A7s should be ahead preflop. I like shipping it there and banking on tons of dead money even if someone does call you. You check to see a flop and it's very likely 1/5 people are going to hit something taking FE away from a flop shove and probably putting you in the position of needing to hit your draw.

End result: shove preflop >>>>> shove flop >>>>>>>>>>>>> c/r flop.