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Yeah I fold here. I hate it but you have to ask yourself would my opponent be doing this with Jx? The answer is probably a big no. Then would they be doing this with a flush draw? That is more of a maybe but I think a lot villains will check raise jam a flush draw there and not donk lead it. They dont mind checking because even if you check behind they will just get a free card to draw. A lot leads in this spot on a two suited board will be Ax trying to "protect" their hand since they are so afraid you might check behind. Then when the villain jams the turn I dont know what else it could be other than an ace or better with some occasional flush draws but not many. Better to fold here if you think you are beat, it doesnt matter how strong your hand is and you are not committed to the pot.
I would not even call this a "grand fold", since your hand was only really strong until the flop. As 300HPGOD say, the only hands, you are ahead of here, are draws, that he chose to play very aggressively, and much more commenly this will be a strong hand playing fast "for protection".
You also dont have a very good bluff catcher. If you are going to make a huge hero call, you want to at least block some of his value range, and for that reason hands like A4s or ATo are much better bluff catchers than KK. With KK this is one of those spots, where the board runout and action is pretty much as bad, as it could be, and unfortunately we need to make a disciplined fold. Which you did so well played
Hello, I agree in the large part with guys, but I think that we should fold this hand on the flop. You have to remember that in this situation the last person who will made decision on the flop is player from the small blind. Player from the small blind can have something strong on the flop and he can raisu both of you. So call on the flop IMO isn't profitable in the long run time. In situation like this you play against two opponents and is more possible that somebody hit top pair on the flop. Besides players from the blinds usually will play check on the flop if they hit second pair on the flop. So in this situation I would believe that one of them have top pair on the flop. GL
Yep, it's not a grand fold here. Our cowboys just looks very awesome preflop, but on the flop we are probably behind vs 2 opps. Call flop will be better IP (and with a king in diamond, but we are ham in sandwich here, so I prefer just fold flop. Even if we have actually a good blockers here, because we don't have any diamond, but even vs his broadways draws, value hands and Ax we don't have enough equity to call, so just fold.
i think the preflop raise should have been a little higher, at least 3bb or even 3.5-4 bb. also after the flop when the ace come your kings have lost much of their value because any Ax hand will beat your hand so calling in that situation is very risky specially on a multiway pot. and even if villain doesnt have the ace you have to consider other hands as well like 34, a set ( deuces or fives) or even a double pair so folding on the turn might be the right choice in this scenario.
I would feel like opponent has at least 2 pairs and he is afraid me drawing diamonds. No point to call here. And if he likes to bluff in such spot, just take his chips next time, when you hit 3rd king.