$7.5 NLHE MTT Bounty: Late phase, Titans War

[Boo02]

Hi,

~ 200 players left from 4 000. Average stack 60 000. 40 bb Average bounty (for eliminating)7$.

Bounty for me 30$. They have 13 and 15$.

We are in top 10. The can't counting for my bounty soo... they have to hold something strong.



pokerstars, $6.69 + $0.81 - Hold'em No Limit - 700/1,400 (210 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 21,776 (16 bb)
UTG+1: 85,266 (61 bb)
MP: 39,845 (28 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 191,810 (137 bb)
CO: 116,267 (83 bb)
BU: 92,390 (66 bb)
SB: 107,992 (77 bb)
BB: 137,308 (98 bb)

Pre-Flop: (3,780) Hero is MP+1 with Q♥ Q♦
3 players fold, Hero raises to 2,800, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to 8,400, 1 fold, BB 4-bets to 26,600,

I think that, there is only fold or push option?

 

[fundiver199]

This is a pretty gross spot. If we look at our own situation, we already have a huge stack, and we dont really need to get into a huge war against other big stacks right now. If we look at their situation, then BB in particular need even less to get into a huge war with us. So what is he ever cold 4-betting here, thats not KK+? I can honestly see folding here, although it seems very tight. But we only have 2BB invested, and as I started by saying, we just really dont need this spot.

 

[300HPGOD]

I know in this spot (im a nit) I would fold here unless I know BB is an aggressive player. Fundiver is right here in that readless situations, what can really expect a cold 4 betting range to be? Especially if the 3 bettor is not wild and the table knows they are not wild since that would hinder the chances that BB would cold 4 bet with a 1010 type hand. I will say JJ could still be there from the cold 4 but more unlikely than KK or AA.

Without a read on someone and going against "normal" 3 and 4 bet ranges I think folding here in the long run is the best play. In my book its a crappy spot that you make less crappy by folding, losing the 2 BBs, and moving on to the next hand.

 

[Tigroslav]

I dont see a good player doing that 4bet without KK+ so if you think hes good its a fold.

 

[eetenor]

Hi,

~ 200 players left from 4 000. Average stack 60 000. 40 bb Average bounty (for eliminating)7$.

Bounty for me 30$. They have 13 and 15$.

We are in top 10. The can't counting for my bounty soo... they have to hold something strong.



PokerStars, $6.69 + $0.81 - Hold'em No Limit - 700/1,400 (210 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 21,776 (16 bb)
UTG+1: 85,266 (61 bb)
MP: 39,845 (28 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 191,810 (137 bb)
CO: 116,267 (83 bb)
BU: 92,390 (66 bb)
SB: 107,992 (77 bb)
BB: 137,308 (98 bb)

Pre-Flop: (3,780) Hero is MP+1 with Q♥ Q♦
3 players fold, Hero raises to 2,800, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets to 8,400, 1 fold, BB 4-bets to 26,600,

I think that, there is only fold or push option?

Thank you for posting

Did not look past preflop action- do not know the result.

This is a great place to range build using any notes on your Villains.
If you take the time to do that now it will help you make the best possible decision in game.
which could be a fold.

Simple example you will want to use equilab for a better range.

SB 3 bets range AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 88 AK AQ AJ KQs. Bluffs?
Does the sizing change this range? 3x does that lean strong or weak for this player?

So vs above range we are not folding to the first raise.

BB 4 bets 3x more What range does that from a standard player?
AA KK QQ AK ??? Bluffs? ISO raise for bounty? How wide does that range become if we include ISO raises?

So vs tight players with no bounty QQ seems to be an ok fold but not if the players are bounty agg or not GTO aware which in a 7.5 buy-in is much more likely.

Tuff spot this is why note taking on the V if we have time to do it is soo important.

Watching rest of hand now


If you did over call you puke on flop lol.

As we saw here the BB did not have AA AK JJ AQ probably not KK QQ as why would you bet that flop? so the read of a bounty ISO raise was fine. That is the note you want to have on that player.

SB this hand tells us nothing more about the V range specifically but what bluffs shove the river? What AX or KK does not just bluff catch? JJ might shove but balanced with what bluffs?

Building that range may be of value to you.

5 bet shoving even in a bounty should be a very condensed range vs the action of the blinds unless we have a read. Both V opened themselves up OOP to getting stacked in a bounty by you-we want to know how that data point would effect their ranges?

At this level of buy-in and bounty agg play if the players lean wide agg we can call and play post flop as we do have to worry about the SB having AA KK if we shove as the SB range is the more condensed of the ranges that 3 bet OOP vs us.

Hope this helps.

 

[AKQ]

Your preflop decision was very nitty

You folded QQ preflop!!!!!!!!!!
ak aq a10 kk jj
and even the gto bluff range 36 46 25 57
ALL ended up beating QQ IF WE WERE RABBIT HUNTING
BUT WE ARE NOT!!!!
200k stack
26k to call with the 3rd best ranked preflop hand
see a flop at least and see if the ace doesn't pop up

I would have clicked the all in button or played some post flop
I don't care what everyone else says
You and no one on this thread could have a read on him to know he only 3 bets with KK+

and IF YOU DID then he'd have no chips because your hud would say he folded the last 100+ hands lol

 

[fundiver199]

You and no one on this thread could have a read on him to know he only 3 bets with KK+

It was not a 3-bet, it was a cold 4-bet from the blinds. Ranges for cold 4-betting are way narrower than ranges for 3-betting.