$6.75 NLHE MTT: Correct shove

[BlueNowhere]

I play a weekly tourney on stars so I know most of the guys that play quite well. In the tourney lobby I currently rank second, the one who ranks 1st is out and the one who ranks 3rd is still in. Both the 1st and 3rd guy are decent players and have played a fair bit. I move all in on this hand, I obviously think it's correct but the one who is ranked 3rd says he was surprised I did it and thoguht I'd have better than that. I'm thinkings its a pretty easy spot to get it all in, what would be the correct play? The one who has limped has stats of like 54/1 and the one in BB is 30/15. the 54/1 guy also took out the player who ranks first with 8/10 aghainst A/9 when he hd to call 400, I'm larger stacked so I'm thinking I have way more FE.

PokerStars - $5+$1.25+$0.50|50/100 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: 1,685.00
Hero (SB): 1,440.00
BB: 1,755.00
UTG: 3,600.00
MP: 8,425.00
CO: 1,095.00

BTN posts ante 10.00, Hero posts ante 10.00, BB posts ante 10.00, UTG posts ante 10.00, MP posts ante 10.00, CO posts ante 10.00, Hero posts SB 50.00, BB posts BB 100.00

Pre Flop: (210.00) Hero has A♣ 8♦

fold, MP calls 100.00, fold, fold, Hero raises to 1,430.00 and is all-in, fold, MP calls 1,330.00

 

[jbbb]

MP is a massive loose passive donk with 8,500 chips. I'd expect him to call like 50% of the time and you're flipping with this range. Therefore i'd probably fold.

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     53.727%      50.36%     03.36%         2856197388     190721658.00   { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T9s, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1:     46.273%      42.91%     03.36%         2433510144     190721658.00   { A8o }

Oh yeah and to make this play work you need to pick the right player type i.e weak and loose, doesn't like to call all-ins and doesn't like to gamble. Also a smaller stack size is desirable.

 

[baudib1]

I'd go-and-go.

 

[WiZZiM]

Shoving or making it like 450 and jamming flops are both fine.

 

[BlueNowhere]

MP is a massive loose passive donk with 8,500 chips. I'd expect him to call like 50% of the time and you're flipping with this range. Therefore i'd probably fold.

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     53.727%      50.36%     03.36%         2856197388     190721658.00   { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T9s, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1:     46.273%      42.91%     03.36%         2433510144     190721658.00   { A8o }

Oh yeah and to make this play work you need to pick the right player type i.e weak and loose, doesn't like to call all-ins and doesn't like to gamble. Also a smaller stack size is desirable.

Yea maybe I didn't have as much FE as I thought, I figure his VP is 54 so I'm ahead of his range if he's playing top 54%. He's a pretty bad player though and I've seen him take some pretty bad lines. He somehow donked his way up to 8500 though. I'm getting too low stacked to defend blinds or play any proper poker so I figure if I can double up or even pick up dead money then my equity shoots up as I have a decent skill advantage over all but one of my opponents but I can't expoit the advantage when I'm so low stacked.

 

[jbbb]

Yea maybe I didn't have as much FE as I thought, I figure his VP is 54 so I'm ahead of his range if he's playing top 54%.

Remember he isn't going to call 100% of his range though, if he calls 50% he's calling the top 27% of hands.

He somehow donked his way up to 8500 though.

Happens all the time at micro SNG's. Nothing to worry about, it's actually a really good thing because you should be able to take his chips without a problem (play big hands fast, reduce your requirments for stacking off and calling etc)

I'm getting too low stacked to defend blinds or play any proper poker

Not true atall, 14BB is plenty, especially as the stack sizes are very similar so you have a fair bit of fold equity against three other players. Also SNG's aren't about playing 'real poker'. Most SNG pro's play very little poker after the flop, and most of it takes place preflop.

so I figure if I can double up or even pick up dead money then my equity shoots up as I have a decent skill advantage over all but one of my opponents but I can't expoit the advantage when I'm so low stacked.

Kinda contradicted yourself here. If you have a big skill edge you want to take less risks, i.e flipping to double up. Also think there are better spots than this, especially when he's in 50% of hands and doesn't like folding.

Also I like baudibs' idea of a go-and-go. It'd probably be the best option.

 

[Pascal-lf]

shoving seems fine, if you raise you have to shove any flop

 

[BlueNowhere]

Remember he isn't going to call 100% of his range though, if he calls 50% he's calling the top 27% of hands. Happens all the time at micro SNG's. Nothing to worry about, it's actually a really good thing because you should be able to take his chips without a problem (play big hands fast, reduce your requirments for stacking off and calling etc) Not true atall, 14BB is plenty, especially as the stack sizes are very similar so you have a fair bit of fold equity against three other players. Also SNG's aren't about playing 'real poker'. Most SNG pro's play very little poker after the flop, and most of it takes place preflop. Kinda contradicted yourself here. If you have a big skill edge you want to take less risks, i.e flipping to double up. Also think there are better spots than this, especially when he's in 50% of hands and doesn't like folding.

Also I like baudibs' idea of a go-and-go. It'd probably be the best option.

By not much I mean I'm pretty much having to play straight up and I'm not really going to be able to bully the table. If I get to around 20-25 I can usually get to 35-40 pretty quickly. 14BB with blinds going up pretty soon I'm not in great shape.

I know I'm looking to take less risks but I figure this risk is worth it to get up to 18BB or even possibly double up because my equity will go up by a decent amount at this point as I don't need to take too many chances whereas as 14BB I'm going to have to take a coinflip at some point.

go and go sounds good but if BB comes along then thats pretty much my plan screwed. Guessing I'd raise to about 450 to try and stop BB calling then just shove flop. Maybe a better idea on reflection.