$5 NLHE MTT: 77 check raised on turn

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PokerStars - $5+$0.50|2000/4000 Ante 500 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 44.48 BB (VPIP: 13.79, PFR: 8.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 58)
Hero (MP): 40.24 BB
MP+1: 39.41 BB (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 51)
MP+2: 40.89 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 62.46 BB (VPIP: 32.17, PFR: 10.94, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 143)
BTN: 30.9 BB (VPIP: 21.29, PFR: 8.89, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 155)
SB: 48.94 BB (VPIP: 15.87, PFR: 12.70, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 63)
BB: 48.19 BB (VPIP: 21.13, PFR: 17.56, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 143)
UTG: 32.75 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has 7:heart: 7:spade:

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 5.31 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.31 BB

Flop: (12.74 BB, 2 players) 3:club: 5:heart: 4:diamond:
SB bets 7.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Turn: (27.73 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, SB raises to 36.02 BB and is all-in,

:ridinghor

 

[horizon12]

Here SB range looks like overpairs or set , because villain have very tight stats,, so better fold in turn..

Vs 3bet range hands TAG, on this board better to play carefully and fold... He never shove with overcards , here minimum straight , set or overpair...

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

You have to fold on this turn. The check raise means he had at least an overpair.

Also, why even bet out on this turn? What is the point? Will a better hand fold? Will a worse hand call?

Check call the turn to gain value from missed Ak type hands and take a cheap shot at your gutshot the times he has an overpair...

 

[duggs]

We can bet for protection/fold out his equity, he has AK AQ a bunch which has 10 outs v us so I'm fine with betting it. We can't x/c we are ip

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

We can bet for protection/fold out his equity, he has AK AQ a bunch which has 10 outs v us so I'm fine with betting it. We can't x/c we are ip

Duh...good point!

Sometimes I wish I could delete my stupid posts...
;-)

 

[WiZZiM]

I think you can certainly check turn if you want.

I like a bet best to get value from his overs and fold out some hands that have eq vs us. But I make my bet a touch under half pot so its looks reasonable. And not a weak looking bet which can be interpreted as weakness by a lot of players.so 12bbs here is about right to me.

 

[duggs]

Duh...good point!



Sometimes I wish I could delete my stupid posts...

;-)

Yea i mean it's not cut and dried but we would need him to bluff blank rivers a lot and not bluff us when Q/K falls and he whiffs for it to be better imo.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Ok, this is a spot we're beat nearly always vs this player. He can take this line with over pairs which very likely seem to be a massive part of his range given how tight he is. If he was just deciding to 3B as bluff or a hand that plays well post flop like suited connectors this also smashes his range and I think we're dead to 3 outs all of which might be chops if he has a hand like 86s. or 87s.

We have a gut shot, but I think it's a clear fold.


I don't agree with him having just high cards in this spot, makes no sense.

Also on turn I'm just checking back and making a decision on the river.

 

[duggs]

Ok, this is a spot we're beat nearly always vs this player. He can take this line with over pairs which very likely seem to be a massive part of his range given how tight he is. If he was just deciding to 3B as bluff or a hand that plays well post flop like suited connectors this also smashes his range and I think we're dead to 3 outs all of which might be chops if he has a hand like 86s. or 87s.

We have a gut shot, but I think it's a clear fold.


I don't agree with him having just high cards in this spot, makes no sense.

Don't go changing your name o won't realise it's you.

Once he shoves it's a clear fold, when he cbets/x I think he is fairly heavily weighted to over cards. This a board which smashes our range much more than his. I just don't expect to get x/j on with huge frequency and it drastically changes his range and our perception of hom

 

[RamdeeBen]

Don't go changing your name o won't realise it's you.

Once he shoves it's a clear fold, when he cbets/x I think he is fairly heavily weighted to over cards. This a board which smashes our range much more than his. I just don't expect to get x/j on with huge frequency and it drastically changes his range and our perception of hom

Just one time change.

Oh I misread your post, I thought you meant he has like 10 outs a lot here when he x/j so we should call.

Yeah agree 100% with what you said here though.

 

[duggs]

Hadn't seen the sn and with the post count assumed you lived in the players lounge, how come you changed it?

 

[RamdeeBen]

Hadn't seen the sn and with the post count assumed you lived in the players lounge, how come you changed it?

Well to be honest, at the time I shouldn't of made my username on here the same as my most active sites. The main reason though was because with rail stake threads I had I was posting a lot of hands and when running deep in tournaments on stakes, I found "6+ guests" often in my stake threads. Got paranoid that I was giving away to much by posting hands but had to post hands for the backers.

Just felt sometimes people might search a screen name and it directs you to CC a lot of the time.

 

[duggs]

Yea I made my site name different than my username here which is helpful

 

[duggs]

I would have just changed the spelling rather than the whole name tho, make it like ramseeedamm or just ram

 

[Dubstep]

Hero calls 20.31 BB and is all-in

River: (82.35 BB, 2 players) 9:club:

SB shows K:spade: 9:spade: (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 47%, Flop 23%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows 7:heart: 7:spade: (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 53%, Flop 77%, Turn 86%)
SB wins 82.35 BB

 

[jj20002]

the way hero played raising preflop 2BB from MP was quite obvious his hand was a kind of spec, broadways suited connectors or a small pair but paying the raise to 6 BB against one player could mean too slowrolling a monster,

the flop and turn brings four low cards so if if hero had a small pair easily could have connected his set and and with a small suited connector a straight or 2 pairs

the stats said the villain was a tight player (the true is villain is a big fish, a lucky one), the turn he wanted to represent pocket 8?

i dont think aces or kings had checked the turn with such a board (what for? wait for another low card to complete any project or a set??), once the hero pays preflop and flop any player holding a monster bets and no checkraise and at this point a monster could be dominated as well!!

 

[RamdeeBen]

I would have just changed the spelling rather than the whole name tho, make it like ramseeedamm or just ram

Yeah, took your advice changed to this now!

 

[duggs]

haaha that makes way more sense

 

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