$5.50 NLHE MTT: Problem with AKs vs other big stack

[ben_rhyno]

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 40/12/2.7

pokerstars Game #57283251303: Tournament #406010421, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2011/02/07 20:33:40 UTC [2011/02/07 15:33:40 ET]
Table '406010421 176' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Accik (8045 in chips)
Seat 2: ben-rhyno (23446 in chips)
Seat 3: Toha544 (16180 in chips)
Seat 4: unsed (25370 in chips)
Seat 5: zenik80 (5070 in chips)
Seat 6: agatkanaty (7947 in chips)
Seat 7: german_fa (10738 in chips)
Seat 8: albion_AA (6010 in chips)
Seat 9: losangeles89 (21740 in chips)
Accik: posts the ante 50
ben-rhyno: posts the ante 50
Toha544: posts the ante 50
unsed: posts the ante 50
zenik80: posts the ante 50
agatkanaty: posts the ante 50
german_fa: posts the ante 50
albion_AA: posts the ante 50
losangeles89: posts the ante 50
agatkanaty: posts small blind 300
german_fa: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ben-rhyno [Ah] [Kh]
albion_AA: folds
losangeles89: calls 600
Accik: folds
ben-rhyno: raises 1200 to 1800
Toha544: folds
unsed: folds
zenik80: folds
agatkanaty: folds
german_fa: folds
losangeles89: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [Jd] [5c] [4c]
losangeles89: checks
ben-rhyno: bets 2400
losangeles89: raises 17490 to 19890 and is all-in
ben-rhyno: ????

Easy fold?

 

[MuscleMan76]

I think this is an easy fold.
You have A high, do you really want to risk your tournament life with that?
I think the check/raise is a pretty good indication that you're beat.

 

[Egon Towst]

Villain`s play is unusual. He limps pre-flop and then calls a raise out of position. Then he check-raises a dry flop. Unless your previous experience of him suggests that he is an idiot, I suggest this is most likely to mean that he has a big overpair, or possibly TPTK. He is ahead but not crushingly so (if he had hit a set, he would probably let you see another card and perhaps bet into him again) and is trying to take the pot down now.

Fold, I reckon.

 

[ben_rhyno]

YEah exactly the read i had on him tbh. He had checkraised about 5 times before showing a wide range of nuts, air and middle pair

 

[c9h13no3]

YEah exactly the read i had on him tbh. He had checkraised about 5 times before showing a wide range of nuts, air and middle pair

ITS A TARP!

In other news, is there value in checking the flop & bluff catching the turn here? I'd like that line more if there was a heart on the flop, but I still think its got some merit against a maniac who's check/raised like every flop.

 

[ben_rhyno]

LOL, do you think checking the flop is acceptable here?

 

[c9h13no3]

LOL, do you think checking the flop is acceptable here?

Given the choice between:

C-betting into a maniac who check/raises a TON and having to make a bluff catching decision for my whole stack.

OR

Checking back, sometimes binking an A or K, and calling just about any turn bet planning to show down AK high...

Idk, I kinda like plan B. Don't bluff the maniacs, bluff catch them. And when you c-bet this board, you're bluffing. If there was a heart on this board, I think its DEFFO a check back as you can turn a ton of cards that will give you good equity (T's, hearts, A's, K's, Q's, even J's).

 

[ben_rhyno]

Yeh I get what you're saying thanks for the advice. Still in this tourney may make a rail request soon

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

Easy muck. But yes his play is odd it just isn't worth it.
+1 to what c9 said.

 

[ljove]

He is 40 vpip.That means he plays almost everything.There are lot of hands he can play that way.He can even draw for flush or straight and you got just overcards.I think fold is reasonable here.You have big stack and can wait for better chance.

 

[sweepnet]

I agree, a definite fold. Wait for a definite hand to teach him a lesson. Resist the temptation here.