$5.5 NLHE MTT: When to call a reshove with AQ?

[Larmuar]

I had a similar problem with AJ not so long ago, i realized back then, that AJ was a fold. This time I got very lucky, but still the play remains questionbable.
In this situation the shoving villain has just 5bb, so I could not fold, right? My fist question is: Would you recommend a call or a shove in my position?
And secondly, if called (how i did), would you call the reshove from the SB?
Thanks for your insights!


888 Poker - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 NL - Holdem - 8 players

Hero (BTN): 37.08 BB
SB: 16.98 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 32)
BB: 61.71 BB (VPIP: 21.92, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 73)
UTG: 12 BB (VPIP: 17.09, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 117)
UTG+1: 28.04 BB (VPIP: 21.20, PFR: 14.69, 3Bet Preflop: 1.52, Hands: 185)
MP: 4.84 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 75.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP+1: 11.27 BB (VPIP: 14.04, PFR: 8.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
CO: 89.15 BB (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 65)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Q:club: A:club:

fold, fold, MP raises to 4.71 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.71 BB, SB raises to 16.86 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 12.14 BB

Flop: (40.43 BB, 3 players) Q:diamond: 7:diamond: Q:spade:

Turn: (40.43 BB, 3 players) 9:heart:

River: (40.43 BB, 3 players) 5:club:

Hero shows Q:club: A:club: (Three of a Kind, Queens)

Main Pot [16.14 BB]: (Pre 12%, Flop 88%, Turn 88%)
Side Pot#1 [24.29 BB]: (Pre 13%, Flop 90%, Turn 98%)

SB shows A:diamond: A:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)

Main Pot [16.14 BB]: (Pre 71%, Flop 10%, Turn 2%)
Side Pot#1 [24.29 BB]: (Pre 87%, Flop 10%, Turn 2%)

MP shows J:heart: K:heart: (One Pair, Queens)

Main Pot [16.14 BB]: (Pre 17%, Flop 2%, Turn 10%)

Hero wins 16.14 BB
Hero wins 24.29 BB

 

[JustSoPro]

You really can't fold in this hand so I would say re-shoving would be the optimal play. If SB was to cold call you, they would be shoving on the flop either-way and you can't really fold in that position(SPR < 1, AQs more than likely two overs to the board, etc., etc.) so getting it in pre prevents trash cards from hitting and also protects you from getting bluffed out of a pot you are already committed to.
PS, the only reason why your equity is so bad on this hand % wise is because SB is holding two of your outs

 

[The Boss]

I had a similar problem with AJ not so long ago, i realized back then, that AJ was a fold. This time I got very lucky, but still the play remains questionbable.
In this situation the shoving villain has just 5bb, so I could not fold, right? My fist question is: Would you recommend a call or a shove in my position?
And secondly, if called (how i did), would you call the reshove from the SB?
Thanks for your insights!


888 Poker - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 NL - Holdem - 8 players

Hero (BTN): 37.08 BB
SB: 16.98 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BB: 61.71 BB (VPIP: 21.92, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 73)
UTG: 12 BB (VPIP: 17.09, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 117)
UTG+1: 28.04 BB (VPIP: 21.20, PFR: 14.69, 3Bet Preflop: 1.52, Hands: 185)
MP: 4.84 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 75.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP+1: 11.27 BB (VPIP: 14.04, PFR: 8.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
CO: 89.15 BB (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 65)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ A♣

fold, fold, MP raises to 4.71 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.71 BB, SB raises to 16.86 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 12.14 BB

Flop: (40.43 BB, 3 players) Q♦ 7♦ Q♠

Turn: (40.43 BB, 3 players) 9♥

River: (40.43 BB, 3 players) 5♣

Hero shows Q♣ A♣ (Three of a Kind, Queens)

Main Pot [16.14 BB]: (Pre 12%, Flop 88%, Turn 88%)
Side Pot#1 [24.29 BB]: (Pre 13%, Flop 90%, Turn 98%)

SB shows A♦ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)

Main Pot [16.14 BB]: (Pre 71%, Flop 10%, Turn 2%)
Side Pot#1 [24.29 BB]: (Pre 87%, Flop 10%, Turn 2%)

MP shows J♥ K♥ (One Pair, Queens)

Main Pot [16.14 BB]: (Pre 17%, Flop 2%, Turn 10%)

Hero wins 16.14 BB
Hero wins 24.29 BB

In this situation I think your cold-call was correct if you believed the SB and MP+1 would have gone all-in if you called as opposed to 3-betting or reshoving. This is a hand you do not want to fold, but if I were in your situation I would lean towards calling. My reason is the majority of the table is short-stacked and thus proper short-stack strategy this late in a tournament is to double up by going all-in and getting lucky and steal the antes and blinds. It can be thus be properly assumed that the short-stacked players will go all-in, however the concern with shoving is that you risk scaring off the short-stacks who may be more inclined to go all-in if there is a lack of aggression present. Either you call and invite other players to join the fray or you go all-in risking other players not being interested. An argument can be made for reshoving considering your stack size. In terms of responding to the SB's reshove, there are two options: fold because losing the hand to the SB will place me with a CSI so low that I lack any sort of fold equity, or I call assuming the SB is going all-in with a wide range of hands and AQs is likely to be beat most of what your opponent has. I would call because you have a strong hand and with your stack size being small you really need to double up on chips. I'm no expert, hopefully this helps!

 

[RocwX]

I think your play was ok. Both MP and SB had low stacks and should be looking to shove any decent hand. Since you had both of them covered, it was a good opportunity to increase your stack and, if all went wrong, you would still have enough chips to stay in the game and get back up.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think the issue at play here is actually two-fold.

1) At what stack depth of the jammer should we call vs make some kind of iso raise?
2) At what stack depth of our own should we rejam vs iso-ing small? (given there's someone behind us who covers us)

The SB is sort of a non-factor. Us rejamming vs calling makes almost no difference - he is never just overcalling imo. He's rejamming or he's folding, bc the initial jam is worth 1/3 of his stack, give or take.

But when the BB covers us by a large margin, and we ourselves have > 20bb (well over in this instance), we need to be a bit careful.

So to my first question, I generally set the line at about 5-6bb. If someone has over 6bb, I basically always just call. There is typically no major need to isolate. At 5ish bb and below, I tend to isolate in some fashion, whether that be rejamming, going small, whatever.

Rejamming here would be absurd though imo. With 37bb and a guy in the BB who covers us, we guarantee that we lose the maximum the times we are crushed, and we almost force the BB to fold out hands that we do well against. Sure we may get folds from like 77 - 99 maybe if we're lucky, but that's such a small subset of hands and his edge with those hands isn't large anyway. I just don't think it works out to be preferable.

So personally I think flatting is okay here. Usually if SB is getting involved he is rejamming. My gut tells me that min clicking it back to about 10bb vs just calling is fairly equivalent, so I tend to want to just call (I'd probably just call with aces and kings for example).