£44 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: £40+4 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: KK boats up river, did I bet too much?

[neilv93]

£44 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: £40+4 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: KK boats up river, did I bet too much?

On Friday I played a £40+4 MTT at my local casino and ran into this unlikely but beautiful situation on the river.

HERO: (UTG+1) 10,125
VILLAIN 1: (HJ) 10,000
VILLAIN 2: (BTN) 32,500
VILLAIN 3: (BB) 9,850

At 50/100 blinds, I picked up KdKc and made it 325, receiving three calls from the button and big blind. The BTN has been playing incredibly erratically and loose to this point, building a big stack (as you can see above) mainly through being hyper-aggro and playing virtually every hand. The BB has just late-reg'd and this is only his second hand.

The flop is 7h5d3s rainbow and I C-bet 750 into 1,350. HJ folds, BTN and BB call.

The turn pairs the board with another 3d, also naturally bringing out a flush draw - although I wasn't worried about that. I continued for 1,800, about half pot and, again received two calls. At this point, I'm putting the BB on some sort of overpair (99, TT, JJ) and the BTN on a 7 (A7, T7, etc) but not suited connectors as I think he would've raised the flop with a gutshot/draw.

The river is my golden ticket, the beautiful King of spades - making the board read 7h 5d 3s 3d Ks. At this point I have about 7,250 behind and pot is 9,000.

They both checked to me and after much deliberation and staring at the board, I bet 4,200, prompting two folds.

After recalling the hand I can't help but thinking about the river. Did I bet too much? With the effective nuts (only losing to 33) I bet more than half my stack, but under half the pot - after betting 58%, 50% the previous rounds. Given the ranges I have my opponents on I wasn't ever expecting the LAG BTN to call after watching the probably top-pair get thwarted but it's the BB I keep thinking about. He told me after he had TT and that "the King had saved" him.

With that said, do you think I'm getting a call if I bet, say, 2,500 into the 9,000 pot on the river? We both had nigh-on equal stacks and obviously the king is perfect card to bluff at if I don't have it so I'm torn. From my perspective, it's pretty clear to me if I'm facing this kind of action that my opponent has either AA or KK as they probably wouldn't double-barrel the turn into two opponents and they'd check back JJ or QQ after the K rivers, so;

- Would the BB call a small 25-35% river bet? Or...
- Is this just one of those situations where I'm never getting called by anything, given that I've repped so much strength raising pre-flop and triple-barrelling?

I know that was a lot but any feedback would be appreciated. This is definitely one of those rare, amazing situations where you river so well but IMO I certainly need to improve my river value-betting for future reference. Thanks!

 

[PBG789]

One point first is that on the river they can't both have checked to you as you were second to act.

Obviously you have shown strength all the way and your river bet screams value. Anything smaller also shouts value even louder! Don't think a value bet will work with these villains in this situation.

Not saying this would work but I would have been tempted to tank for a bit then shove the river as this might give the impression of being bluffy and may get a call.

 

[xxMorpheusxx]

A smaller bet does scream value to a thinking player. However, I think OP means that he is fishy. In that case I like a small value bet on the river.

He will call to see what we have and if we're really lucky he'll think we're full of it and raise us.

 

[suby_rafael]

You should not be worried about missing value on the river here as both villains would not have called anyways, unless you bet a ridiculously small amount say around 2000 or less then maybe one of them might look you up. So yeah depends on how greedy for value you are.

Personally i think you should be happy with the value you got against multiple players for multiple streets.

 

[No Brainer]

You should not be worried about missing value on the river here as both villains would not have called anyways, unless you bet a ridiculously small amount say around 2000 or less then maybe one of them might look you up. So yeah depends on how greedy for value you are.

Personally i think you should be happy with the value you got against multiple players for multiple streets.

This is a horrible way to think, if there is value there why not take it? Even you say if he bets small he might get looked up therefore we should be worried about missing out on value here.

As for the hand, yes there is more chance of villains calling when we bet smaller, even though we may think it is a very obvious value bet. When you bet smaller villain has to win less often for them to be making a profitable call so if they can think of any bluffs you might be making they will be more inclined to call them.

I think that on a lot of other boards a half pot size would be best but this board is very dry and most of what was in villains ranges was draws or weak pairs with draws which will hardly ever call a river bet anyway. This is the sort of spot that you just really hope one of them has been slow playing their set in which case you will be hearing about it on the river anyway.

 

[suby_rafael]

@No Brainer - I am not saying to not bet small on the river. I am just saying don't be worried/greedy when you bet half pot and get no action. Certainly if we bet small our chances of getting value increases and we might get looked up here(which is meant to be a good thing !!!). That's fine. But we are not perfect and do not bet the right amount everytime.