$340 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: $340 Live MTT - 3bet Pot - Line Check

[Chrispee]

I'm playing in a local casino Live MTT. Buy in 340 dollars.

No reads on villian other then he appears to know stuff.

Here is they way i remember it going down.

Question is, should fire the turn when he checks?

Should i just be calling his river bet?

https://pokerbankrolltracker.net/replayer/68656

 

[Tigroslav]

Depends on how many players at the table?


If Short-handed I would ship him All-In after his 3,4k bet

If Full-Ring I would fold to that same bet.

 

[eetenor]

I'm playing in a local casino Live MTT. Buy in 340 dollars.

No reads on villian other then he appears to know stuff.

Here is they way i remember it going down.

Question is, should fire the turn when he checks?

Should i just be calling his river bet?

https://pokerbankrolltracker.net/replayer/68656

Thank you for posting.

This is a good spot to take the time to build ranges that V would choose this bet sizing preflop then on flop then check turn then big bet river?

By working through that thought process you will be clearer on turn decisions and river.

If the check is polarized then checking back is fine. In this spot it would seem to be polarized.

On the river if we assume the Villain has some skill this is not a thin value bet after checking turn due to SPR. Skilled players would know we are checking behind with Ax hands and Kx hands so it is nuts or nothing most often. So we never raise river.

Why checking back- the flop bet is very polarized when we build a range for a skilled player choosing betting half pot in a game where players call preflop with Ax in position.

We do not see AA AK AQ bet half pot often as they will get you to fold most of your hands
If these hands did bet and you called they have no reason to check turn as your Spr is 1.1

So a value and bluff range on this flop for this size based on turn action would be KK 22 and bluffs like TT -22 etc
This is so heavily weighted to bluffs that we need not bet turn and risk our stack as the V can check jam bluffs and value and we would need to fold.

As we saw the V checked turn to trap so this V would also check turn with KK 22 as a trap.

Why KK 22 half pot value? If you have nothing you fold to any size but if you have the AX you call so a skilled player can target a condensed range with this sizing with those hands for value and then check turn SPR1.1

This is an advanced concept but some players know it. Few play the 22 this way however.

This was an example of range thinking in this spot. It may not apply at all to the V you are playing. They may be soo weak that they think they should half pot bet AK then check trap it. However this player played as expected betting way too many bluffs on the flop then at SPR 1.1 check trapping turn rather than block betting to get extra value from you or induce a shove.

They then bet the nuts like it was the nuts on the river a very common play in weak fields so you may be able to over fold if you take notes and notice the river sizing is most frequently nutter butters.

This is of course not a full possible range here just how to start to think about doing it.

Hope this helps

 

[fundiver199]

Just as a disclaimer, I am not a live player, but its still poker, so I will just analyse the hand as if, this was an online hand against a competent opponent.

Preflop
Standard open, and I guess, GTO charts will have us mostly defending to the 3-bet with this combo, because its suited, and we have position. It has to be close though, when you open from this early on the table, because he is supposed to be 3-betting thighter than against a CO or BTN open. So if he was a particularly tough opponent in an otherwise soft game, I could see myself just getting rid of this spot by folding to the 3-bet.

Flop
As played we obviously have to call, when we hit top pair. But as you surely know, you hand is mostly a bluff catcher here. You are still behind to AK, AQ, AJ, AA, KK, and those hands make up a lot of his value range.

Turn
I am not betting here when checked to. He can definitely be trapping with some stronger hands, and basically you still have a bluff catcher.

River
Having improved to two pair, I think, we are to high in our range to fold now. QJ just got there, and of course we still lose to AK and sets. But we do beat some hands like AQ, AJ, A8s and of course bluffs. The question is, do we just call, or do we jam, and this is, what Bart Hansson call a "reverse pot odds" situation, meaning that any hand, he is betting, that is not a pure bluff, is priced in to call us off.

So we can raise, if we think, we are good more than 50% of the time. But I am not so sure, we are. Of course its difficult to not be results oriented, when you share the results. But this is a big river bet, and I am not sure, how often he is doing this with a hand for value, that we beat. Not saying, this could never be AQ or AJ. But 50% of the time? Probably not, so personally I am just calling here.