$3.50 NLHE HU Tourney: Flat pre with AA fine?

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$3.50 NLHE HU Tourney: Flat pre with AA fine?

I'm constantly telling people that flatting pre with AA is a cardinal sin but here's a spot where I thought it was best. Be interesting to here what others think.

A 3-bet dynamic had cropped up in this game. Early in the game and I'd already 3-bet his min raise 3 times (with AKo, KQo and A8o) and he folded all of them. He has 3-bet me on hand before this and I called with J9o (probably should've folded but thought I could take it away on a few flops), he bet 3/4 pot on a flop of AQ7dd and I folded. He also 3-bet a few hands earlier and I folded

My thought process:

I min raise as normal, he 3-bets what I presume is light, at this point his range is fairly wide, I'm thinking Ax, K9+ QT+, 77+. I thought alot of his range folds out to a 4-bet shove w/o history against me. a non-AI 4-bet just looks strong, I type 175 before I opted to call, I think I kill any value again as he folds to most of them even if he 3-bets light. Also if I 4-bet light my range is pretty much strong hands only, don't thik I've ever seen a villian at this level do that light. I figure I call and he'll fire on the flop. Pretty much nut flop for me, at this point I'm hoping he has 77+. A6 is the only feasable hand that has it here. I call flop to let him fire on turn with Ax, 77+ hands. I think he has my range on overcards, Kx, Qx, JT-J8, type hands and think he can barrel me off most of my range on most turns. If e thinks he probably knows I've got him on Ax, Kx type hand and feels his perceived range is ahead of mine. I think he expects me to shove strong aces and fold weak aces pre. Pretty much no bad cards for me in deck. Q hits and he shoves, at this point it's an obv call and I expect him to have a strongish Q. Is there any merit to my pre flop play? If not what would you 4-bet to?


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BB (t440)
Hero (SB) (t560)

Hero's M: 18.67

Preflop: Hero is SB with A
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, A
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Hero bets t40, BB raises to t80, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t160) 6
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, 6
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, 6
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(2 players)
BB bets t80, Hero calls t80

Turn: (t320) Q
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(2 players)
BB bets t280 (All-In), Hero calls t280

River: (t880) 10
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(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t880
 
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seems fine to me, more than fine. we're short pre, so we have no real issues getting the chips in postflop.

Since we have a minbet dynamic, i'd likely just min bet him back here preflop and see if he spazzes out i think he will at least call most of the time anyways.
 
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Oh it's hyper turbo which I didn't mention originally.

Yea I think I could min bet him pre but I think he calls rather than spazzes out, problem is I have initiative then which means he will be reluctant to get chips in especially when that move tends to be strong at this level. I felt like letting him get rid of the top of my range was best because then he would fire on numerous flops+turns and get it in with TPTK due to the large pot being created pre without me giving much info away about hand strength.
 
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I think it's fine as long as you're never folding postflop.
 
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No I'm never folding post flop, I'd check/shove on most flops bar hitting top set where I'd c/c as there are so few Ax combos he would have at that point. Also on flops like this and low card flops where he jsut never hits I planned on c/cand letting him barreling on a good turn card.
 
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Unless you've been 4-betting a lot or he rarely 3-bets this is pretty standard.
 
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Yea that's what I thought. No 4-bet dynamic had been created yet and he was starting to repsond to my 3-bet frequency pretty quickly by 3-betting alot. Just wanted to check calling was fine.
 
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Results: he flipped over KTo. I don't actually mind his play here.
 
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I don't really like his line with KTo. I'm sure your opening all Kx and probably folding K2-K9o to a 3b so 3betting pre really achieves nothing. Plus being so short when you 4bet is he folding or stacking? Also postflop what is he repping ... I think most A high probably call down here due to only beating by pairs in his range.

I like the way you played it though.
 
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His 3-bet is standard. I don't think I have Ax in my range at this point as calling pre with a weak ace would be pretty horrible and I'd shove all my stronger aces. He will see enough folds at this level to make this play +ev imo which is why I don't mind it. He doesn't have to rep much, it's still difficult for me to call.
 
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3-betting KT for value is totally standard HU
 
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I don't think I have Ax in my range at this point as calling pre with a weak ace would be pretty horrible and I'd shove all my stronger aces.

Yeah good point didn't think about that.
 
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