$3.5 NLHE STT: Dumb call post flop shove on a draw?

[Salmon5]

pokerstars Hand #106539830482: Tournament #812905779, $3.11+$0.39 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2013/11/05 5:39:56 ET
Table '812905779 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: MACTEP 10 RU (3765 in chips)
Seat 5: 5salmon (5015 in chips)
Seat 7: candy-cane-c (4720 in chips)
MACTEP 10 RU: posts the ante 25
5salmon: posts the ante 25
candy-cane-c: posts the ante 25
candy-cane-c: posts small blind 100
MACTEP 10 RU: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 5salmon [Tc Kc]
5salmon: raises 200 to 400
candy-cane-c: folds
MACTEP 10 RU: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [3c Ac Qs]
MACTEP 10 RU: bets 3340 and is all-in
5salmon: calls 3340
*** TURN *** [3c Ac Qs] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [3c Ac Qs 3s] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MACTEP 10 RU: shows [Th Qc] (two pair, Queens and Threes)
5salmon: shows [Tc Kc] (a pair of Threes)
MACTEP 10 RU collected 7655 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7655 | Rake 0
Board [3c Ac Qs 3s 2h]
Seat 3: MACTEP 10 RU (big blind) showed [Th Qc] and won (7655) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 5: 5salmon (button) showed [Tc Kc] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 7: candy-cane-c (small blind) folded before Flop

 

[jackaoliver]

You are flipping against an A here, against the Q10 you are a slight favouite, what was the pay jump from 3rd to second?

 

[Salmon5]

1: MACTEP 10 RU (Russia), $14.01 (50.053%)
2: candy-cane-c (germany), $8.39 (29.974%)
3: 5salmon (Australia), $5.59 (19.971%)

 

[Poker Orifice]

It is obviously +cEv to call here (likely flipping) but why in the #!~% is that guy donking allin into us? This is often a draw by a bad player. I mean if he was halfway strong here (or even had a draw) why not crai instead of just donk-jamming.
I would typically be asking "do we have any reads/info. on villain?" ... but seeing them donk-jam 3x+ pot is maybe all the info. anyone would need, lol.
idk... with a villain playing as bad as that & us still being 20-25bb deep ITM in a STT I might even find a fold ... villain is definitely getting a 'note'... if they haven't gotten a few already, lol.

 

[MasterOfDisaster]

It is obviously +cEv to call here (likely flipping) but why in the #!~% is that guy donking allin into us? This is often a draw by a bad player. I mean if he was halfway strong here (or even had a draw) why not crai instead of just donk-jamming.
I would typically be asking "do we have any reads/info. on villain?" ... but seeing them donk-jam 3x+ pot is maybe all the info. anyone would need, lol.
idk... with a villain playing as bad as that & us still being 20-25bb deep ITM in a STT I might even find a fold ... villain is definitely getting a 'note'... if they haven't gotten a few already, lol.

You are in the zone well said!

 

[Salmon5]

That's what happens in the micros...

 

[CalBandGreat]

Call because he has a draw here very often.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

with the huge overbet I think you can fold your 2nd pair and really great draw here.

the shove practically screams 2 pair or a set, I'd put them on AQ or 333

it hurts to fold...but it is best I think.

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

In tournaments its about more than just +chip EV there is also +$ EV (tourney life equity) to think about. Basically, I am suggesting that if you're a skilled tourney player you'll have better spots to pick up chips. In a cash game you can make this call no problem though.

because it's a tourney I think the disciplined play is to make the tough lay down....but it's a close decision for sure!

 

[Poker Orifice]

with the huge overbet I think you can fold your 2nd pair and really great draw here.

He's got NFD & a gutter (he doesn't have a pair).

 

[Jacki Burkhart]

He's got NFD & a gutter (he doesn't have a pair).

Oh, Woops! You're right....I think that makes the fold even more correct, still a tough fold though...