$3.30 NLHE MTT: Laying down a middle pair pre-flop. I think that was a good play.

[nabmom]

I'm posting this hand as an example of what I believe was a good lay down pre-flop. When the flop comes, I had that moment of agony (that old "look what I could have hit if I hadn't folded?"). But then the way that hand played out was a great lesson in playing smart to win the tournament, not just focus on winning a hand. I would have lost the hand and taken a very bad beat.

Do you agree that this was a hand to be laid down considering the raise and large reraise?


Absolute/UB Cereus Hold'em, $600.00 BB (9 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($9694)
MP1 ($17334)
MP2 ($5316)
MP3 ($30698)
CO ($15153)
Button ($4639)
SB ($6565)
Hero (BB) ($18512)
UTG ($5115)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 8

4 folds, MP3 bets $1672, 2 folds, SB raises to $6291, Hero ????

 

[baudib1]

it really depends on reads. as default folding is fine, reshoving is meh. I'd get it in with TT+/AQs/AK

 

[Tangerine 53]

You haven't talked about the table dynamics, opponent reads nor how far on this is in the tourney etc but yes in general, after a raise and reraise (with the reraise being effectively an AI for a third of your chips) I'd be looking at 88 with some scepticism. It's only a middle pair and there is a strong likelihood that your opponents have cards that will beat you post flop even if you have the strongest hand pre-flop.

 

[Four Dogs]

lol. a case of double results oriented thinking.
Preflop Thinking. I folded a weak pair to heavy preflop action. LOOK HOW SMART I AM
Flop Thinking. Doh! I woulda flopped a set. LOOK HOW DUMB I AM
Showdown Thinking. Wow, sure glad I didn't play that hand, I'd be on the rail now. ONCE AGAIN I AM SMART.

 

[nabmom]

lol. a case of double results oriented thinking.
Preflop Thinking. I folded a weak pair to heavy preflop action. LOOK HOW SMART I AM
Flop Thinking. Doh! I woulda flopped a set. LOOK HOW DUMB I AM
Showdown Thinking. Wow, sure glad I didn't play that hand, I'd be on the rail now. ONCE AGAIN I AM SMART.

Exactly the point I was trying to make! Wish I stated it like that.

I haven't heard the phrase "double results oriented thinking" before. I like it.

 

[bolda3]

The fold pre was fine-don't look at post flop results, no one knows what those cards will be. Your 88 vs up against 99, so a good laydown.

 

[cjatud2012]

please, 1) convert your hands, and 2) don't post results!! If you post in Hand Analysis, it should look like this:

Absolute/UB Cereus Hold'em, $600.00 BB (9 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($9694)
MP1 ($17334)
MP2 ($5316)
MP3 ($30698)
CO ($15153)
Button ($4639)
SB ($6565)
Hero (BB) ($18512)
UTG ($5115)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 8

4 folds, MP3 bets $1672, 2 folds, SB raises to $6291, Hero ????

Please do this in the future! I'm editing this into OP for now, but I'll just move it or flat out delete it next time.

kthxbye

 

[Bwammo]

The only way you can truly get in here is if you have some sort of read on the other big stack. Some sort of evidence that he's just a turd and is raising garbage that can't call the little guy's shove. The shove is slightly too much compared to our stack to make an isolation raise without shoving...so I would lean towards folding here most of the time.