$3.30 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: Cooler, or over played?

[rickblackdog]

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 52/29/9

Would appreciate some feedback here.

History with this player, they had been chip leader for some time, a few hands back I had taken most of their stack but they'd luck boxed their way back in. They were playing a lot of hands with no regard for position, many marginal and were being very sticky.

Here I suspected they had a queen, as you can see I'm ahead on the turn when we're all in, but they hit a 2 outer on the river.

Have to say in his shoes I'm not sure I'm ever folding here either...


pokerstars - 150/300 Ante 40 NL - Holdem - 8 players

Hero (CO): 30.91 BB
BTN: 37.26 BB
SB: 52.13 BB
BB: 14.96 BB
UTG: 11.87 BB
UTG+1: 21.65 BB
MP: 31.82 BB
MP+1: 42.3 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop : (8.57 BB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn : (8.57 BB, 3 players)
SB bets 9 BB, fold, Hero raises to 28.28 BB and is all-in, SB calls 19.28 BB

River : (65.13 BB, 2 players)

SB shows (Full House, Queens full of Kings)
(Pre 30%, Flop 86%, Turn 24%)

Hero shows (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 70%, Flop 14%, Turn 76%)

SB wins 65.13 BB

 

[Pablo22]

I don't think it is over played because you got in with the best hand and were rivered.
Also with the depth of stacks I would make the same play.

 

[moulan7]

Nothing strange here.
Given the stack sizes in this hand, it is everything set up to lose xD.

Hmmm, maybe you could think and suspect with what hand did he call from the sb and now he leads oop on the turn against two people.
I guess Q10s, QJs, QKs, QKo, fall in his range.
But then again, can you find a call turn/ fold river here? Nah tough spot.

 

[rickblackdog]

This is partly what lead me to play the hand this way:


PokerStars - 75/150 Ante 20 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 133.43 BB
CO: 20.83 BB
BTN: 18.83 BB
SB: 17.33 BB
BB: 22.71 BB
Hero (UTG): 54.05 BB
UTG+1: 29.13 BB
MP: 22.43 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has A♠ K♥

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, MP calls 2.5 BB, MP+1 calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (10.07 BB, 3 players) J♠ 7♥ Q♦
Hero bets 4 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 4 BB

Turn: (18.07 BB, 2 players) T♥
Hero bets 9.03 BB, MP+1 raises to 20.07 BB, Hero raises to 47.42 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 27.35 BB

River: (112.91 BB, 2 players) T♦

Hero shows A♠ K♥ (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 61%, Flop 76%, Turn 100%)
MP+1 shows 8♠ 9♠ (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 24%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 112.91 BB

 

[Bozovicdj]

Pre-flop is all well,

Flop: I'd prefer to c-bet here. Think about how wide ranges can be from the SB and BB, considering that players are defending pretty wide these days. There are all sorts of suited connectors that missed, there are a lot of small pocket pairs that might call the flop but will give up on the turn/river. You have to think about what opponents can have most of the time and play accordingly, so for future spots like these, think about betting flops.

Turn is again fine, some may argue for a call here simply cause its a paired board. There are some river cards that can save you money, like another T/J or another Q, then you would most likely be beat so you can save some chips, but shoving is also fine.

 

[Bozovicdj]

This is partly what lead me to play the hand this way:


PokerStars - 75/150 Ante 20 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 133.43 BB
CO: 20.83 BB
BTN: 18.83 BB
SB: 17.33 BB
BB: 22.71 BB
Hero (UTG): 54.05 BB
UTG+1: 29.13 BB
MP: 22.43 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has A♠ K♥

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, MP calls 2.5 BB, MP+1 calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (10.07 BB, 3 players) J♠ 7♥ Q♦
Hero bets 4 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 4 BB

Turn: (18.07 BB, 2 players) T♥
Hero bets 9.03 BB, MP+1 raises to 20.07 BB, Hero raises to 47.42 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 27.35 BB

River: (112.91 BB, 2 players) T♦

Hero shows A♠ K♥ (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 61%, Flop 76%, Turn 100%)
MP+1 shows 8♠ 9♠ (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 24%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 112.91 BB

Is MP+1 the same villain from the first hand? If that is the case, then I am more inclined to c-bet flops, especially if I know he is likely to call with gut shot SD and other weird hands.

 

[rickblackdog]

Is MP+1 the same villain from the first hand? If that is the case, then I am more inclined to c-bet flops, especially if I know he is likely to call with gut shot SD and other weird hands.

Yup same guy, he was down to 3bb after this and managed to bink up

 

[moulan7]

This hand has nothing to do in my mind with the other hand.
This game seems standard as well to me.
He goes for the 10 or maybe a backdoor flush if another spade comes in the turn, he is lucky enough to get it (well not so lucky lol) and he wants to get paid for it. He doesn't want to see any scary cards on the river. So he raises, you put him allin, he calls (I call too xD)

Why does this hand is partly a reason you played the other hand this way?
Actually you played both hands decently ok in my mind. And they are completely separated and standard as plays. Really nothing strange for me here in both hands.
Although the first hand is scarier because of the possibilities of full houses.

 

[rickblackdog]

This hand has nothing to do in my mind with the other hand.
This game seems standard as well to me.
He goes for the 10 or maybe a backdoor flush if another spade comes in the turn, he is lucky enough to get it (well not so lucky lol) and he wants to get paid for it. He doesn't want to see any scary cards on the river. So he raises, you put him allin, he calls (I call too xD)

Why does this hand is partly a reason you played the other hand this way?
Actually you played both hands decently ok in my mind. And they are completely separated and standard as plays. Really nothing strange for me here in both hands.
Although the first hand is scarier because of the possibilities of full houses.

Not just this hand but other hands I’d seen him show up with. You’re right both should be viewed in isolation. Just frustrating.

 

[moulan7]

Just frustrating.

I know really! haha

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Standard raise.

Flop
I am ok checking this back against two opponents. AK has some showdown value, and you are not drawing to the nuts, so keeping the pot small is sort of prudent. I would not hate a C-bet either, but it really sucks, if someone check-raise and blow you off your equity.

Turn
Best card in the deck for you, so obviously not folding, but there is some argument for just calling and allowing him to hang himself on the river. On the other side, when you have a hand, that can not improve, letting cards roll off never makes your decisions easier. So I lean towards simply getting it in, as you did. Sometimes you will be drawing dead against a boat, and on this board he can probably have them all. But more often you are ahead of a worse straight, trips, a diamond draw or random air.