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Wickedestjr
Rock Star
Silver Level
No Brainer
Losing keeps me sane
Silver Level
I don't think shoving is a big mistake. When called you will generally have 2 live cards and even better sometimes be flipping against an underpair.
Also depends on the pay jumps and other people still left, are any likely to bust in the next orbit cause of their crazy playstyle etc?
Also depends on the pay jumps and other people still left, are any likely to bust in the next orbit cause of their crazy playstyle etc?
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AviCKter
Visionary
Silver Level
Its an easy shove according to Kill Everyone.
But I personally would not shove here. Pay jumps is a very important consideration and blind level is the determining factor, if its a 10-15 min blind, its a clear fold. In general, I would never play that lose in a final table. I would shove something like {KQ+, AT+, 77+} UTG+1. Just my opinion though.
ghOst
Rock Star
Silver Level
NOOooooOOooo =) sorry. I've made this mistake so many times. 7th is not good enough. You could as least get 5th or better. If you feel like one of your wings are burning, then go down safely instead of aggressively. All you're doing is trying to steal the blinds super early! I think if I was on that table, I would've just seen you as tilting lol
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xxMorpheusxx
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I'd jam, take the flip if your in last. I need to work on my ICM game but I'm pretty sure that if your in last it's a much smaller factor than if your a mid stack.
If I have other tables up and I think the result might tilt me. I shove and minimize the window if I need to review it later I can. I won't look at it while I am still playing though.
If I have other tables up and I think the result might tilt me. I shove and minimize the window if I need to review it later I can. I won't look at it while I am still playing though.
GDBPoker
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I agree with one of the statements above, I'd be thinking you're tilting, unless I've seen you react otherwise earlier in the tournament. So because of that potential tilt factor, plus the 6bb, you've got to think they'd be calling you a little wider than usual. That adds a whole lot of J's into their range, so you have a much higher chance of being dominated here.
I say fold, and hope to wake up with a decent hand in the next orbit.
I say fold, and hope to wake up with a decent hand in the next orbit.
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Wickedestjr
Rock Star
Silver Level
As I said before, it's not like I shoved the immediate next hand after my bad beat. I folded two hands, waiting for a good spot. Shouldn't have come across as tilt.
There weren't really any crazy loose players left in the game.
Stack sizes;
My six bb stack, a seven bb stack, four 12-25 bb stacks, and a huge overwhelming chip leader
There weren't really any crazy loose players left in the game.
Stack sizes;
My six bb stack, a seven bb stack, four 12-25 bb stacks, and a huge overwhelming chip leader
JohnCPoker17
Visionary
Silver Level
I think he was referring to the previous bad beat. I suppose his logic is most people tilt after a bad beat especially deep in tourney so from villain's perspective, the heroes range is as wide as the Great Wall of China.
Anywho, I'd personally fold and wait for a better spot. Despite the other comments, I don't believe there are many flip situations unless you're up against pockets. Otherwise you're up against 2 overs or and overlapped J. I do understand you'd probably have +ev and it would be positive ICM aswell, but tbh your hand is best in multi-way pots. I know it's dreaded, but I don't think just a flat call would be deadly here assuming you'd be willing to all in anyways. Any raiser you would shove to, any limp/folder you make equity on. But it's a very tactical hand, I believe there's no mistake in either option, it just depends on your personal preferences.
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Oh. ok.
Just seems odd to me because I don't assume this. I never do this. And 'most' players I know never do this either.
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dean1810
Rising Star
Bronze Level
naah dont shove, 6 bigs is finee wait for BB position and you and prety much call ATC if shoved to you cuz if u win one flip u are back to 12bb with good fold eq to countinue to play. Its not over till u lose all your chips, one time i had 3 bigs at utg, bad beat also, folded utg, called any at bb was like 1200 people left, at the end of the tourney finished 11th, so my advice to you is to never quit.
GDBPoker
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Ok I think I could have worded my post better. To expand, I would think hero more likely to shove wider because of stack size and previous bad beat, where without the bad beat hero may be more patient. Especially in a $3.30 MTT.
Without you, or most players you know, input into the actual question asked in this post, Im not sure if you are saying this because you think the hand is an auto shove with this stack size. Be interested to see your actual feedback in regards to the question posted, along with your thought process