$3.3 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked Rebuy: 55 in LP .

[manolo salazar]

Hi guys . I am here again.

I don't know if I did well paying on the flop . I paid because I had a backdoor and we had a really deep stack. I put him in AJs+, 99+ Preflop. In the flop when he bet strong I put him in QQ+, AKo+.
Sorry the title it is wrong it was in EP. UTG Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 30/60 (8 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat
vatopkr (UTG): 9,382 (156 bb)
lobbyrunner (UTG+1): 9,960 (166 bb)
NicoSandone (MP): 9,904 (165 bb)
OldSaintNick16 (MP+1): 9,909 (165 bb)
raven193 (CO): 11,742 (196 bb)
Jackmaster09 (BU): 9,241 (154 bb)
bryanmassey0351 (SB): 9,245 (154 bb)
crusher91 (BB): 9,116 (152 bb)
Pre-Flop: (154) Hero (vatopkr) is UTG with 5¢¾ 5♦
vatopkr (UTG) raises to 150, 1 fold, NicoSandone (MP) 3-bets to 604, 1 fold, raven193 (CO) calls 604, 3 players fold, vatopkr (UTG) calls 454
Flop: (1,966) T¢¾ 4¢À 6¢¼ (3 players)
vatopkr (UTG) checks, NicoSandone (MP) bets 1,385, raven193 (CO) folds, vatopkr (UTG) calls 1,385
Turn: (4,736) 5¢¼ (2 players)
vatopkr (UTG) checks, NicoSandone (MP) bets 2,368, vatopkr (UTG) raises to 7,385 (all-in), NicoSandone (MP) calls 5,017
River: (19,506) A♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: 19,506
Showdown:
vatopkr (UTG) shows 5¢¾ 5♦ (three of a kind, Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 95%, River: 0%)
NicoSandone (MP) shows A¢¾ A¢¼ (three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 87%, Turn: 5%, River: 100%)
NicoSandone (MP) wins 19,506

 

[ammje]

Does your fold button work well?

I think it was even fold preflop.

gl mate

 

[Edu1]

very early in the game for put 10BB in utg, with 55.
for me, backdoor is only when I have two different cards like(JT, QK, AJ, 98...) not a pair, because with a pair is very improbable to make a straight or flush. If you pay 1385 after the flop, you only would have a chance to win if you hit a 5 in the turn, and can still be behind, like this time

 

[ssbn743]

Hi guys . I am here again.

I don't know if I did well paying on the flop . I paid because I had a backdoor and we had a really deep stack. I put him in AJs+, 99+ Preflop. In the flop when he bet strong I put him in QQ+, AKo+.
Sorry the title it is wrong it was in EP. UTG Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 30/60 (8 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat
vatopkr (UTG): 9,382 (156 bb)
lobbyrunner (UTG+1): 9,960 (166 bb)
NicoSandone (MP): 9,904 (165 bb)
OldSaintNick16 (MP+1): 9,909 (165 bb)
raven193 (CO): 11,742 (196 bb)
Jackmaster09 (BU): 9,241 (154 bb)
bryanmassey0351 (SB): 9,245 (154 bb)
crusher91 (BB): 9,116 (152 bb)
Pre-Flop: (154) Hero (vatopkr) is UTG with 5¢¾ 5♦
vatopkr (UTG) raises to 150, 1 fold, NicoSandone (MP) 3-bets to 604, 1 fold, raven193 (CO) calls 604, 3 players fold, vatopkr (UTG) calls 454
Flop: (1,966) T¢¾ 4¢À 6¢¼ (3 players)
vatopkr (UTG) checks, NicoSandone (MP) bets 1,385, raven193 (CO) folds, vatopkr (UTG) calls 1,385
Turn: (4,736) 5¢¼ (2 players)
vatopkr (UTG) checks, NicoSandone (MP) bets 2,368, vatopkr (UTG) raises to 7,385 (all-in), NicoSandone (MP) calls 5,017
River: (19,506) A♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: 19,506
Showdown:
vatopkr (UTG) shows 5¢¾ 5♦ (three of a kind, Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 95%, River: 0%)
NicoSandone (MP) shows A¢¾ A¢¼ (three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 87%, Turn: 5%, River: 100%)
NicoSandone (MP) wins 19,506

A standard UTG range is not going to include 55, it might seem like splitting hairs but it's not, 77+ is what you need here. You can sometimes get away with widening your range to include 55 UTG, but you have to be at a table with very passive play occurring - since we get 3-bet, I'm going to go ahead and say that's not the case here.

Another interesting issue with this hand. We have a 3-bettor and a flat call of the 3-bet with you still to act UTG. The CO flat is horrible, absolutely horrible - we never like to flat 3-bets in the middle. You, as UTG need to be pounding this mistake and 4-betting very wide. This is a tough spot given we have 150BB's, but I'd be tempted to mix in a 4-bet bluff here, although I'd much rather have a hand like 9Ts.

Now, opening 55 is a mistake. However, once you've made that mistake, you are getting a very good price to set mine; it just widens your range immensely - competent villains are going to lose all respect for your UTG range and start 3-betting way more frequently.

You'll notice that if we have a standard gun open range, a total of 124 combos (77+, ATs+, A5s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AQo+) we're going to have an equal amount of 4bets/calls/folds when facing a 3bet.

4bet - KK+, AKs, A5s, AQo+ (44 combo's - we can mitigate this 4 combo unbalance by occasionally flatting hands like AKs)
Call - QQ-77, AQs (40 combo's)
Fold - AJs-ATs, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s (40 combo's)

Adding in 55, like I said, might seem like splitting hairs, but it adds 12 combos to your flat range and unbalances us on the flat side.

So, basically, I think I call is fine after you've made the mistake of opening. If we had been dealt QQ-77, and AQs, instead of 55, this open/call line would be standard.

On the flop, there's not much for us here - bad flop. And since we turned our hand into a set-mine, we need to play it accordingly and just check fold flops with no 5. I'm guessing we didn't do that here.

Yep, we didn't, and a big bet too - yeah, this is bad....even if you're right and think you somehow have the best hand, you're going to face this decision on every street and it's just going to be extremely hard to realize any profit here - sorry, but this is a fold.

Ok, two mistakes and Yahtzee huh? Well, we got lucky and that changes things. I'm ok with either leading or checking the turn. We should never be up against a straight so I think I prefer checking, but villain specific - if you think you can get him to stack-off by leading, by all means.

Yeah, well, that sucks - but what are you going to do? When you lose set-over-set in a hold 'em event, "Good game".

Nonetheless, we made some critical mistakes here during this hand that could have been prevented.

 

[300HPGOD]

I dont like the pre flop raise UTG. You dont have a strong enough hand to hold up against raises. This only works if you know the players behind you are passive players. The call to other raisers pre flop is questionable but not terrible. The call on the flop is not good at all. You have opponents that 3 bet pre and you are calling them down with two overcards on the board. I dont like that play in the long run. If I read it correctly you said you thought their range was 99+ and AJ+. Why would you be calling with 55 if you think that is their range? Your backdoor draw has very little value because you need two cards for that to hit and if they have what you think they have you are not seeing that river cheaply. I just think this is a simple case of fold pre flop.

 

[fundiver199]

As others have said, you need to fold on the flop if not already preflop. The rest is just a cooler.

 

[manolo salazar]

A standard UTG range is not going to include 55, it might seem like splitting hairs but it's not, 77+ is what you need here. You can sometimes get away with widening your range to include 55 UTG, but you have to be at a table with very passive play occurring - since we get 3-bet, I'm going to go ahead and say that's not the case here.

Another interesting issue with this hand. We have a 3-bettor and a flat call of the 3-bet with you still to act UTG. The CO flat is horrible, absolutely horrible - we never like to flat 3-bets in the middle. You, as UTG need to be pounding this mistake and 4-betting very wide. This is a tough spot given we have 150BB's, but I'd be tempted to mix in a 4-bet bluff here, although I'd much rather have a hand like 9Ts.

Now, opening 55 is a mistake. However, once you've made that mistake, you are getting a very good price to set mine; it just widens your range immensely - competent villains are going to lose all respect for your UTG range and start 3-betting way more frequently.

You'll notice that if we have a standard gun open range, a total of 124 combos (77+, ATs+, A5s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AQo+) we're going to have an equal amount of 4bets/calls/folds when facing a 3bet.

4bet - KK+, AKs, A5s, AQo+ (44 combo's - we can mitigate this 4 combo unbalance by occasionally flatting hands like AKs)
Call - QQ-77, AQs (40 combo's)
Fold - AJs-ATs, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s (40 combo's)

Adding in 55, like I said, might seem like splitting hairs, but it adds 12 combos to your flat range and unbalances us on the flat side.

So, basically, I think I call is fine after you've made the mistake of opening. If we had been dealt QQ-77, and AQs, instead of 55, this open/call line would be standard.

On the flop, there's not much for us here - bad flop. And since we turned our hand into a set-mine, we need to play it accordingly and just check fold flops with no 5. I'm guessing we didn't do that here.

Yep, we didn't, and a big bet too - yeah, this is bad....even if you're right and think you somehow have the best hand, you're going to face this decision on every street and it's just going to be extremely hard to realize any profit here - sorry, but this is a fold.

Ok, two mistakes and Yahtzee huh? Well, we got lucky and that changes things. I'm ok with either leading or checking the turn. We should never be up against a straight so I think I prefer checking, but villain specific - if you think you can get him to stack-off by leading, by all means.

Yeah, well, that sucks - but what are you going to do? When you lose set-over-set in a hold 'em event, "Good game".

Nonetheless, we made some critical mistakes here during this hand that could have been prevented.

Thanks a lot for your review! I will take in consideration for the next time when I play. I need to work more in my opening ranges and set mining strategies.

 

[I Live Poker]

what a weak play I'm sorry but i found this play very weak ... raised from utg with 55 reraised a call and still called ?? deserved the A on the river. Fold preflop the correct play made a mistake after the other turn could also have saved chips

 

[1player2]

Hi guys . I am here again.

I don't know if I did well paying on the flop . I paid because I had a backdoor and we had a really deep stack. I put him in AJs+, 99+ Preflop. In the flop when he bet strong I put him in QQ+, AKo+.
Sorry the title it is wrong it was in EP. UTG Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 30/60 (8 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat
vatopkr (UTG): 9,382 (156 bb)
lobbyrunner (UTG+1): 9,960 (166 bb)
NicoSandone (MP): 9,904 (165 bb)
OldSaintNick16 (MP+1): 9,909 (165 bb)
raven193 (CO): 11,742 (196 bb)
Jackmaster09 (BU): 9,241 (154 bb)
bryanmassey0351 (SB): 9,245 (154 bb)
crusher91 (BB): 9,116 (152 bb)
Pre-Flop: (154) Hero (vatopkr) is UTG with 5¢¾ 5♦
vatopkr (UTG) raises to 150, 1 fold, NicoSandone (MP) 3-bets to 604, 1 fold, raven193 (CO) calls 604, 3 players fold, vatopkr (UTG) calls 454
Flop: (1,966) T¢¾ 4¢À 6¢¼ (3 players)
vatopkr (UTG) checks, NicoSandone (MP) bets 1,385, raven193 (CO) folds, vatopkr (UTG) calls 1,385
Turn: (4,736) 5¢¼ (2 players)
vatopkr (UTG) checks, NicoSandone (MP) bets 2,368, vatopkr (UTG) raises to 7,385 (all-in), NicoSandone (MP) calls 5,017
River: (19,506) A♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: 19,506
Showdown:
vatopkr (UTG) shows 5¢¾ 5♦ (three of a kind, Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 95%, River: 0%)
NicoSandone (MP) shows A¢¾ A¢¼ (three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 87%, Turn: 5%, River: 100%)
NicoSandone (MP) wins 19,506

Thank you for your post. I like the preflop play. Usually I would recommend a fold utg with pocket fives but because you are 150bb+ I would like to see a flop as well. After the flop the opponent cbets a little over 20bb and I recommend a fold 10 out 10 times friend. You were rewarded with a set on the turn but the river was unfavorable and villain takes it down. This early in the tournament I don't recommend a commitment of so many bb unless you have the absolute nuts. Fold to the opponents cbet and live to fight another day. Good luck


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