$27.50 NLHE MTT: All-in when facing a flush draw?

[PPT]

Just flopped the straight but 2 hearts were on the board and I didn't have any, so I was going to bet very aggressively to claim the pot and make anyone chasing the flush 'pay for it'. However before the betting reached me, someone else pushed themselves.

I didn't think I could fold a straight but was worried about the flush draw. What if the other player has the 10J of hearts or similar? Should I fold?

In the end I figured I can't fold a Straight when three of a suit aren't on the board yet and if they're chasing a flush they wouldn't go all-in yet before the third heart arrives, would they?

As it happens two villains went all in, and the third heart did arrive, but neither villain had a heart.

Is there any chance you'd fold this, or is it an instant-call?


888Poker, $25 + $2.50 - Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (15 ante) - 9 players
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UTG: 4,791 (32 bb)
UTG+1: 3,444 (23 bb)
MP: 5,280 (35 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 5,581 (37 bb)
LP: 4,194 (28 bb)
CO: 8,619 (57 bb)
BU: 2,324 (15 bb)
SB: 6,364 (42 bb)
BB: 4,442 (30 bb)

Pre-Flop: (360) Hero is MP+1 with J♠ T♣
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 150, MP raises to 300, Hero calls 300, 1 fold, CO 3-bets to 600, 4 players fold, MP calls 300, Hero calls 300

Flop: (2,310) Q♥ A♥ K♣ (3 players)
MP bets 4,665 (all-in), Hero raises to 4,966 (all-in), CO calls 4,966

Turn: (16,907) T♥ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (16,907) 3♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 16,907

Showdown:
MP+1 (Hero) shows J♠ T♣ (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 85%, Turn: 88%, River: 100%)

MP shows 5♦ A♦ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 24%, Flop: 1%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

CO shows A♠ Q♠ (two pair, Aces and Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 10%, River: 0%)

MP+1 (Hero) wins 16,907

 

[eetenor]

Just flopped the straight but 2 hearts were on the board and I didn't have any, so I was going to bet very aggressively to claim the pot and make anyone chasing the flush 'pay for it'. However before the betting reached me, someone else pushed themselves.

I didn't think I could fold a straight but was worried about the flush draw. What if the other player has the 10J of hearts or similar? Should I fold?

In the end I figured I can't fold a Straight when three of a suit aren't on the board yet and if they're chasing a flush they wouldn't go all-in yet before the third heart arrives, would they?

As it happens two villains went all in, and the third heart did arrive, but neither villain had a heart.

Is there any chance you'd fold this, or is it an instant-call?


888Poker, $25 + $2.50 - Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (15 ante) - 9 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 4,791 (32 bb)
UTG+1: 3,444 (23 bb)
MP: 5,280 (35 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): 5,581 (37 bb)
LP: 4,194 (28 bb)
CO: 8,619 (57 bb)
BU: 2,324 (15 bb)
SB: 6,364 (42 bb)
BB: 4,442 (30 bb)

Pre-Flop: (360) Hero is MP+1 with J♠ T♣
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 150, MP raises to 300, Hero calls 300, 1 fold, CO 3-bets to 600, 4 players fold, MP calls 300, Hero calls 300

Flop: (2,310) Q♥ A♥ K♣ (3 players)
MP bets 4,665 (all-in), Hero raises to 4,966 (all-in), CO calls 4,966

Turn: (16,907) T♥ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (16,907) 3♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 16,907

Showdown:
MP+1 (Hero) shows J♠ T♣ (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 85%, Turn: 88%, River: 100%)

MP shows 5♦ A♦ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 24%, Flop: 1%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

CO shows A♠ Q♠ (two pair, Aces and Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 43%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 10%, River: 0%)

MP+1 (Hero) wins 16,907

Thank you for posting.

A skill that makes us better at poker is having a plan ahead of time. You called two raises preflop with JT-offsuit -flopping a straight draw is why we called- instead we flop the nut straight.

There is no thinking we should fold now. Never call a raise with that hand if you are going to fold the nuts because of what might happen.

Hope this helps

 

[rabman50]

This is a very loose call. I would fold this pre-flop. As played you should never fold the nuts on the flop.

 

[pirateglenn]

As with any decision to play a hand or chase an outcome such as an open ended straight/straight draw/flush - you should really be considering you r next 2 moves ahead, will you fold to a raise/reraise - is the board going to scare you off if a flush draw drops, if you have a made hand such as a straight and you fold more often than play to conclusion regardless of a flush draw being there, i can guarantee you are losing pot equity more times than losing.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
I would just fold this hand. While the min-raise over a limp is not showing much strenght, you are always going at least 3-4 ways here, and you still have several people left behind you, who can either 3-bet or take position on you. As played when facing a min 3-bet, I would also sigh and put in another 300 chips to see the flop.

Flop
You flopped the stone nuts, so of course folding is not a consideration, and you cant raise either, since MP has already moved all-in. Its rare in poker, that we have the stone nuts and only have to press "call" to get all our chips in the middle. So this is a dream situation and the maximum way to get bailed out of a bad preflop decision.

Results
I would make some notes here, that MP massively overplayed his top pair no kicker hand in a multiway 3-bet pot, and also that CO used a really small 3-bet sizing into multible opponents. I am kind of surpriced to see such a low level of play in a 27,5$ MTT. In this is standard, then these games are literally a gold mine.

 

[PPT]

Preflop
I would just fold this hand. While the min-raise over a limp is not showing much strenght, you are always going at least 3-4 ways here, and you still have several people left behind you, who can either 3-bet or take position on you. As played when facing a min 3-bet, I would also sigh and put in another 300 chips to see the flop.

Flop
You flopped the stone nuts, so of course folding is not a consideration, and you cant raise either, since MP has already moved all-in. Its rare in poker, that we have the stone nuts and only have to press "call" to get all our chips in the middle. So this is a dream situation and the maximum way to get bailed out of a bad preflop decision.

Results
I would make some notes here, that MP massively overplayed his top pair no kicker hand in a multiway 3-bet pot, and also that CO used a really small 3-bet sizing into multible opponents. I am kind of surpriced to see such a low level of play in a 27,5$ MTT. In this is standard, then these games are literally a gold mine.

Thanks for the advice.

This was the game that 300 won a ticket from a freeroll, in order to win a $1050 ticket. So not a standard $27.5 MTT.

 

[fundiver199]

This was the game that 300 won a ticket from a freeroll, in order to win a $1050 ticket. So not a standard $27.5 MTT.

Ok that explains a lot

 

[fundiver199]

You flopped the stone nuts.

Ok strictly speaking that is not true, if we look at equity, as we should, when we are not yet on the river. You could be behind to the freerollers with JT of hearts. However getting freerolled by one possible combo is something, we might worry about, if the SPR is insanely deep, not when its a little over two.

 

[tt124f]

V jam flop when you have the nuts, what else can you ask for?

 

[PPT]

I always thought the "nuts" was the best possible hand to be holding?

If V has the TJ Hearts that'd be the nuts not what I'm holding, wouldn't it?

Extremely unlikely but possible.

 

[rabman50]

On the flop you had the nuts as no flush was possible. The on the turn the nuts would be KJhh.

 

[PPT]

Fair enough, though I still think 10Jhh would be better than my 10Jo since that would have covered both the straight and the flush draw.

 

[toots babos]

Fold pre, as played you can't fold Flop, nice hand.