$2 NLHE Deep Stacked: right fold here?

[KerouacsDog]

$2 NL HE Deep Stacked: right fold here?

Near the bubble of a $2 mtt.
Villain has been loose, Ive been TAG, but have shown a couple of bluffs.
Was this a right fold?

Stage #2001765012 Tourney ID 4887543 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 600 - 2009-11-16 21:14:35 (ET)
Table: 11 (real money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 1 - KAA123 (9,080 in chips)
Seat 2 - KEPHANIE (15,530 in chips)
Seat 3 - VIRACHO (3,800 in chips)
Seat 4 - GMONEYNQUOTE (45,168 in chips)
Seat 5 - REV21IRA (32,772 in chips)
Seat 6 - JUBA (19,202 in chips)
Seat 7 - THEBLITZ (20,035 in chips)
Seat 8 - KEROUACSDOG (41,055 in chips)
Seat 9 - IMRODLEE (12,084 in chips)
KAA123 - Ante 75
KEPHANIE - Ante 75
VIRACHO - Ante 75
GMONEYNQUOTE - Ante 75
REV21IRA - Ante 75
JUBA - Ante 75
THEBLITZ - Ante 75
KEROUACSDOG - Ante 75
IMRODLEE - Ante 75
GMONEYNQUOTE - Posts small blind 300
REV21IRA - Posts big blind 600
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to KEROUACSDOG [Qh Qd]
JUBA - Raises 1,200 to 1,200
THEBLITZ - Folds
KEROUACSDOG - Raises 3,600 to 3,600
IMRODLEE - Folds
KAA123 - Folds
KEPHANIE - Folds
VIRACHO - Folds
GMONEYNQUOTE - Calls 3,300
REV21IRA - Folds
JUBA - Calls 2,400
*** FLOP *** [8h 6d 4s]
GMONEYNQUOTE - Checks
JUBA - Checks
KEROUACSDOG - Bets 4,000
GMONEYNQUOTE - Calls 4,000
JUBA - Folds
*** TURN *** [8h 6d 4s] 5♥
GMONEYNQUOTE - Checks
KEROUACSDOG - Bets 5,000
GMONEYNQUOTE - All-In(Raise) 37,493 to 37,493
KEROUACSDOG - Folds
GMONEYNQUOTE - returned (32,493) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GMONEYNQUOTE - Does not show
GMONEYNQUOTE Collects 30,075 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(30,075)
Board [8h 6d 4s 5h]
Seat 1: KAA123 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: KEPHANIE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: VIRACHO (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GMONEYNQUOTE (small blind) collected Total (30,075) All-In HI30,075) [Does not show]
Seat 5: REV21IRA (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: JUBA Folded on the FLOP
Seat 7: THEBLITZ Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: KEROUACSDOG Folded on the TURN
Seat 9: IMRODLEE Folded on the POCKET CARDS

 

[KerouacsDog]

A few hands later, did I butcher this hand?

Stage #2001785836 Tourney ID 4887543 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 600 - 2009-11-16 21:25:26 (ET)
Table: 11 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 - KAA123 (11,630 in chips)
Seat 2 - KEPHANIE (13,730 in chips)
Seat 3 - VIRACHO (16,937 in chips)
Seat 4 - GMONEYNQUOTE (54,268 in chips)
Seat 5 - REV21IRA (31,647 in chips)
Seat 6 - JUBA (10,202 in chips)
Seat 7 - THEBLITZ (18,610 in chips)
Seat 8 - KEROUACSDOG (29,243 in chips)
Seat 9 - IMRODLEE (12,459 in chips)
KAA123 - Ante 75
KEPHANIE - Ante 75
VIRACHO - Ante 75
GMONEYNQUOTE - Ante 75
REV21IRA - Ante 75
JUBA - Ante 75
THEBLITZ - Ante 75
KEROUACSDOG - Ante 75
IMRODLEE - Ante 75
THEBLITZ - Posts small blind 300
KEROUACSDOG - Posts big blind 600
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to KEROUACSDOG [Ac Kh]
IMRODLEE - Folds
KAA123 - Folds
KEPHANIE - Calls 600
VIRACHO - Folds
GMONEYNQUOTE - Raises 2,000 to 2,000
REV21IRA - Folds
JUBA - Folds
THEBLITZ - Folds
KEROUACSDOG - Calls 1,400
KEPHANIE - Calls 1,400
*** FLOP *** [As 8h Js]
KEROUACSDOG - Checks
KEPHANIE - Checks
GMONEYNQUOTE - Checks
*** TURN *** [As 8h Js] 7♠
KEROUACSDOG - Bets 3,487
KEPHANIE - Calls 3,487
GMONEYNQUOTE - Calls 3,487
*** RIVER *** [As 8h Js 7s] Q♥
KEROUACSDOG - Bets 3,000
KEPHANIE - Folds
GMONEYNQUOTE - Calls 3,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***

*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(23,436)
Board [As 8h Js 7s Qh]
Seat 1: KAA123 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: KEPHANIE Folded on the RIVER
Seat 3: VIRACHO Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GMONEYNQUOTE
Seat 5: REV21IRA Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: JUBA (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: THEBLITZ (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: KEROUACSDOG (big blind)
Seat 9: IMRODLEE Folded on the POCKET CARDS

 

[RichKo]

Probably correct to fold there. Do I think opponent had the str8...probably not. Would he call the raise w/ a 7??? maybe 78s or A7, possibly but I'd figure 55, 1010, or JJ more likely with a bet like that. I would have probably bet more on the flop to try to get him to fold earlier, but you never know, some don't care what they chase with.

 

[c9h13no3]

Hand #1: Don't bet the turn, bet the flop larger.
Hand #2: 4-bet preflop.

EDIT - And hand converters are your friend. http://www.stoxpoker.com/hand_history_converter/

 

[KerouacsDog]

Probably correct to fold there. Do I think opponent had the str8...probably not. Would he call the raise w/ a 7??? maybe 78s or A7, possibly but I'd figure 55, 1010, or JJ more likely with a bet like that. I would have probably bet more on the flop to try to get him to fold earlier, but you never know, some don't care what they chase with.

the way he pushed I was sure he had the 7, probably 77?

Hand #1: Don't bet the turn, bet the flop larger.
Hand #2: 4-bet preflop.

EDIT - And hand converters are your friend. http://www.stoxpoker.com/hand_history_converter/

ok, hand 1, check the turn to him yeah? and fold to a big bet?
hand 2: yeah I screwed that bit up straight away, I realised that as soon as I did it.

and that converter doesnt work with ub

 

[c9h13no3]

ok, hand 1, check the turn to him yeah? and fold to a big bet?

No, you get to see the river free. If the board pairs, we spike a queen, or if his bet is small, we can consider calling a river bet. Otherwise, since we've bet the flop small, we're not committed and we can fold to a river bet with minimal damage.

and that converter doesnt work with ub

Oh, right, UB is retarded. If you have Hold'em Manager, HEM will convert the hand history, and then you can take what HEM exports and stick it into the stox converter. Otherwise, I'm not sure I know of a UB compatible hand converter.

 

[KerouacsDog]

No, you get to see the river free. If the board pairs, we spike a queen, or if his bet is small, we can consider calling a river bet. Otherwise, since we've bet the flop small, we're not committed and we can fold to a river bet with minimal damage.
yeah, forgot about that, getting to see the river for free.

Oh, right, UB is retarded. If you have Hold'em Manager, HEM will convert the hand history, and then you can take what HEM exports and stick it into the stox converter. Otherwise, I'm not sure I know of a UB compatible hand converter.

dont have a hud yet, but apparently handconvertor.com works with UB

thanks for the help c9

 

[HNRocketS]

I would bet huge on the flop with QQ on that board. esp on the bubble...
hand #2 definetely make it 4600 preflop.