$2 NLHE: $2 NLHE: check this flop, bet, or do what i do?

[-Phil Ivey27]

$2 NL HE: $2 NL HE: check this flop, bet, or do what i do?

full tilt poker Game #20901519820: $2 + $0.20 Tournament (160672881), Table 10 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:17:39 ET - 2010/05/17
Seat 1: 40 Mike (3,000)
Seat 2: 97 Racing (975)
Seat 3: stoney boy7 (865)
Seat 4: Thatspoker7 (3,690)
Seat 5: DeenMartin (5,120)
Seat 6: 2prettygirls (11,020)
Seat 7: rdf2010 (6,005)
Seat 8: TripleFo (5,050)
Seat 9: HappyCamper80 (3,860)
Thatspoker7 posts the small blind of 50
DeenMartin posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Thatspoker7 [Ks Ac]

2prettygirls has 15 seconds left to act
2prettygirls folds
rdf2010 folds
TripleFo calls 100
HappyCamper80 calls 100
40 Mike calls 100
97 Racing folds
stoney boy7 folds

Thatspoker7 raises to 600

DeenMartin folds
TripleFo folds

HappyCamper80 calls 500

40 Mike has 15 seconds left to act
40 Mike folds

pot: 1,500

*** FLOP *** [9d 9h Jh]

Thatspoker7 bets 3,090, and is all in
HappyCamper80 calls 3,090

Thatspoker7 shows [Ks Ac]
HappyCamper80 shows [Tc Td]

Not much info on the opponent, but to me it was likely that he would have raised if he had a hand like 10 10 or JJ. To me it was almost a 50-50 situation.

In one case he could have miller cards, J 10 suited, 10 9 suited, QJ suited, and it would be incorrect for me to put all my chips in here.

In another case he has hands such as 22-88, KQ, A10 suited, AQ, 87 suited, 10 8 suited, Q 10 suited, etc. Therefore, it would be correct to bet here. I put him on the latter and did not even suggest 10 10 as a possibility to myself.

Now there's around 1,500 in the pot and 3k in my stack. I could have possibly put in a 1k bet here and if i got raised leave myself with 2k, but I just felt like if he calls he may have 10 8, Q 10, heart draw and i'm not charging him enough for him not to chase the draw.

I decided to take the chance, personally I was putting him on KQ, AQ, or 88.

What would you have done?

 

[rounder22]

With no reads this is tough I usually would make the same play as you did overbet the flop and hope to get called by worst and have some fold equity.

 

[Teebone]

i think a bet of 2/3rds or alittle less is good. Alot of people will make this call preflop with a pocket pairs and fold to a c-bet if they miss. The push all in makes it look like your stealing, also your doing it with no information OOP. Your repping AA or KK but no one plays aces or kings like that. If you had a higher pocket pair you'd be trying to get your value out of them. The story your trying to tell doesnt add up. If you know what i mean.

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

I agree, although if I bet 1k into this pot, the pot becomes 3.5k and I have a 2k stack. Therefore, I am not exactly pot committed but that is a hell of a lot of chips I threw in there compared to my stack.

 

[dwolfg]

Yes if you bet 1k then folded, you would give up a lot of chips and only have 20 bb, but 2k is a big hit against most of the table.

 

[FatBasset]

I definitely wouldn't shove the flop here with no reads. My general assumption on this play by an unknown would be pocket pairs up to JJ or suited connectors. You also have take into account what type of range your play is consistent with. I can see why he could have put you on 2 overcards and called as a 3 to 1 fav.

 

[drgilbert4]

He knew you wouldn't have shoved there if you had the 9. He also knew you wouldn't have called his raise preflop with a 9. The better shove for you would have been preflop. How were you putting him on KQ, AQ, or 88? the preflop raise indicated that he was probably strong. You didn't improve on the flop, so you had to be behind. There are two 9's on the board, so the shove could be a good bluff. The only problem with this is that it's a $2 game. The villain may expect a bet if you have a 9, but he is going to see through a shove in this spot. He knew his hand was good as soon as you shoved on the flop.

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

He knew you wouldn't have shoved there if you had the 9. He also knew you wouldn't have called his raise preflop with a 9. The better shove for you would have been preflop. How were you putting him on KQ, AQ, or 88? the preflop raise indicated that he was probably strong. You didn't improve on the flop, so you had to be behind. There are two 9's on the board, so the shove could be a good bluff. The only problem with this is that it's a $2 game. The villain may expect a bet if you have a 9, but he is going to see through a shove in this spot. He knew his hand was good as soon as you shoved on the flop.

He didn't raise pre-flop he limped?

 

[drgilbert4]

He didn't raise pre-flop he limped?

My mistake... forget I said that!

 

[-Phil Ivey27]

^^ Hahaha, it's fine.