$2.20 NLHE MTT: QQ vs new player

[shinedown.45]

Player just moved to table a couple hands ago, what is your take on hand?
Is it fair to assume that opponents raise could mean AA/KK, as player had not been in any hand before this?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.2 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB (t8355)
BB (t7028)
UTG (t4172)
UTG+1 (t8047)
Hero (MP1) (t11942)
MP2 (t3315)
MP3 (t11920)
CO (t1400)
Button (t13173)
Hero's M: 31.85
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

, Q

1 fold, UTG+1 bets t920, Hero calls t920, 6 folds
Flop: (t2215) Q

, 9

, 8

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets t1100, Hero raises to t3500, UTG+1 raises to t7102 (All-In), Hero calls t3602

 

[Rldetheflop]

not much thinking required here. You have the top set. You are only beat by J 10
(which is quite loose for a raise utg+1). Even if Villain has the straight you have outs. We cant let ourselves be too concerned about the times he flips J 10 here cause most of the time he wont.

 

[shinedown.45]

not much thinking required here. You have the top set. You are only beat by J 10
(which is quite loose for a raise utg+1). Even if Villain has the straight you have outs. We cant let ourselves be too concerned about the times he flips J 10 here cause most of the time he wont.

But the real question is, should have I repopped preflop against villians raise?

 

[Rldetheflop]

But the real question is, should have I repopped preflop against villians raise?

Well really that is villain dependent. With no real reads I think flatting pf is the play here. UTG+1 generally means strength. I will note however that this is a 2 dollar mtt so getting as many of your chips in pre with QQ is usually not bad.

 

[Jillychemung]

Villains range should include AK, 88-QQ as well as AA/KK so I'm with the flat here to see the flop as you did.

 

[Marginal]

I have no issue with the flat here seeing as he is new and unknown but against a lot of opponents, even with it being UTG+1, you can raise. It may not be one of those situations here but yeah.. No issue with how it was played.

 

[shinedown.45]

This is what went down, I was really pissed and typed some angry words and villian said it was my fault for not re-popping preflop.
That is the reason I asked about reraising, thought I had played it wrong for a minute.
PokerStars - $2+$0.20|125/250 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
SB: 8,355.00
BB: 7,028.00
UTG: 4,172.00
UTG+1: 8,047.00
Hero (MP): 11,942.00
MP+1: 3,315.00
LP: 11,920.00
CO: 1,400.00
BTN: 13,173.00
SB posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, UTG posts ante 25.00, UTG+1 posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, MP+1 posts ante 25.00, LP posts ante 25.00, CO posts ante 25.00, BTN posts ante 25.00, SB posts SB 125.00, BB posts BB 250.00
Pre Flop: (600.00) Hero has Q♣ Q♦
fold, UTG+1 raises to 920.00, Hero calls 920.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold
Flop: (2440.00, 2 players) Q♥ 9♣ 8♠
UTG+1 bets 1,100.00, Hero raises to 3,500.00, UTG+1 raises to 7,102.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 3,602.00
Turn: (16644.00, 2 players) 6♠
River: (16644.00, 2 players) T♣
UTG+1 shows 7♠ 7♣ (Straight, Ten High) (PreFlop 19%, Flop 4%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows Q♣ Q♦ (Three of a Kind, Queens) (PreFlop 81%, Flop 96%, Turn 82%)
UTG+1 wins 16,644.00

 

[Jillychemung]

Nope you want villains to make this mistake all the time since you'll win 96% of them.

 

[rllngn]

That was an ugly ending to a good play by you. I have a hard time understanding how some people come to the conclusion that just because you have a pair that don't make it the best hand and who in their right mind would do that play with pocket 7's,,, A Lot of people do. I can only hope next time the coin just smacks him in the head instead of hitting such a ridiculous play. I can understand in some public freerolls but at a money mtt I don't. Even if the villian put you on to over cards like a/k a/q it still was a bad play.

 

[cjatud2012]

to answer your original question, no you can't assume the raise is only AA/KK. I guess flatting is okay, you're putting in ~7% of your stack without the initiative but I am a nit so that's probably fine. I think you could probably raise for value, a lot of players will just think to themselves "he's obv bluffing, my 88 is good here" or "he definitely has AK" and call your raise or 4-bet. In fewer words, I don't think 3-betting is turning your hand into a bluff here - worse hands will call, which is what we want, we don't want to fold out worse hands. But either play is probably okay.

 

[Worak]

I hope you put a note on villain and added him to your buddy list because I don't think he will improve much in the near future.

Almost everything he did was wrong.

To the originial question:

Against an unknown villain calling in position with QQ is ok here though I think that you're ahead most of the time at this stake against random villains so reraising here isn't terrible either.

 

[takethepain]

No I think you played that hand just fine. AA AK and KK were all possibilties here (especially as he was UTG) and as he was a new player you really had no idea how he plays so call and see what happens. When that Queen hit on the flop you had no choice but to wind up all in IMO, you just got really quite unlucky. Don't listen to the Villian, he was the one who made the terrible terrible play here.