$11 NLHE: Matrix: TPTK in SB, 5-way limped pot

[baudib1]

$11 NL HE: Matrix: TPTK in SB, 5-way limped pot

This is early in a Matrix SnG, so keep in mind survival/KO points are key.

In the past, I think I would call this pretty often. But in a 5-way pot, 3-way after the flop, I have to wonder how often TPTK is good. I figure flop hits limping ranges pretty hard. Anyone call the river? Raise preflop?


Full Tilt, $11 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) NL Hold'em Sit'N'Go, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: 1,710 (57 bb)
CO: 1,455 (48.5 bb)
BTN: 1,395 (46.5 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,470 (49 bb)
BB: 1,515 (50.5 bb)
UTG+1: 1,470 (49 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (50 bb)
MP1: 1,410 (47 bb)
MP2: 1,575 (52.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J

A

UTG+1 calls 30, UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: (150) T

J

7

(5 players)
Hero bets 120, BB calls 120, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 120

Turn: (510) 2

(3 players)
Hero bets 360, BB calls 360, MP1 calls 360

River: (1,590) 5

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets 400, MP1 raises to 900 and is all-in, Hero???

 

[pantin007]

i dont see what ur ahead of at this point in time, blinds are still small and u will have 23bb left so u still have chips to work with if u fold
add in survival points in the matrix system and u have to fold

 

[baudib1]

Well, I'm ahead of KJ, QJ, J9, chop with AJ.

 

[pantin007]

Well, I'm ahead of KJ, QJ, J9, chop with AJ.

yeah but those hands wont usually bet and shove on this river. a lot more of the time, they will have 2 pair, sets or straights

also, it is a 5 way limp pot, they have a lot of combos of limping hands that hit this board harder that ur AJ, TPTK is rarely good against 4 ppl

 

[baudib1]

What's your calling range on the river? JT or better? T7?

 

[pantin007]

u could probably find a call with J-10 and better but id be pretty uncomfortable getting it in with less than the str8 because they was they played it, just gives off a big big hand

 

[dean0208]

hi im new so i hopeyou dont mind if i just wade in.......
as played he could have a massive range and on the surface it looks like he whiffed with kq saw your check on the river and shoved/bluff
if he flopped the straight then his river shove is pretty poor as you have allready checked the river so wont actually seem strong enough to call a shove so a big hand would likely bet smaller on the river or raise the turn when the board showed a flush draw.
as the hand plays out i would call and expect to be ahead the bulk of the time against combo hands jq/j9/j8/jk/k10/q10 some pairs like 99/88
unfortunatly with no raise preflop we have no hand definition(not saying limping in is horrible)
call you have set him up for a bluff and his shove (unless he makes you for aj which is unlikely)is a last ditch pot steal

 

[dean0208]

sorry mis read river thought you checked then he shoved


really clearcut call imo

 

[pantin007]

this just seems a stupid spot to bluff in but thanks for the input

 

[dean0208]

misread it completely

oops ignore my posts

 

[aznman08]

its still early in the game and going out on 1 table early hurts you alot. one of your opponents has at least 2 pair or better. fold is the option especially since you are 5 players on the flop and 3 handed at the river

 

[shinedown.45]

This is early in a Matrix SnG, so keep in mind survival/KO points are key.

In the past, I think I would call this pretty often. But in a 5-way pot, 3-way after the flop, I have to wonder how often TPTK is good. I figure flop hits limping ranges pretty hard. Anyone call the river? Raise preflop?


Full Tilt, $11 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) NL Hold'em Sit'N'Go, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: 1,710 (57 bb)
CO: 1,455 (48.5 bb)
BTN: 1,395 (46.5 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,470 (49 bb)
BB: 1,515 (50.5 bb)
UTG+1: 1,470 (49 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (50 bb)
MP1: 1,410 (47 bb)
MP2: 1,575 (52.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J

A

UTG+1 calls 30, UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: (150) T

J

7

(5 players)
Hero bets 120, BB calls 120, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 120

Turn: (510) 2

(3 players)
Hero bets 360, BB calls 360, MP1 calls 360

River: (1,590) 5

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets 400, MP1 raises to 900 and is all-in, Hero???

I personally would have raised this preflop or have folded(read dependant though).
But as played, I would have to fold the river here as you're behind any overpair, 2pr and a flopped straight.

 

[kcirjr]

Your main problem was preflop. When everyone limped in as they did you needed to raise with aj to a decent amount so they would have to pay to see. Then you prolly are only going against one or two people postflop and you can bet bigger then 120 on flop and really test them. Thats what got you in trouble here and you should prolly fold riv

 

[pifan]

i agree bluff is unlikely, i think only play here is to fold even if he isnt blufing very few hands you can beat here i almost believe he had something like 89 suited and flopped strait .

 

[poloporasa]

..and u will have 23bb left so u still have chips to work with if u fold

I think you will have 32bb left if you fold (960chips). And folding is what i would suggest here as well.

AJo in the SB should be raised in my opionion. Especially if there are 3 limpers. One of them might have had connectors or a low pocketpair and hit the flop.

Your TPTK is not good here anymore.