$109 NL HE MTT: Mystery Bounty Main Event. Two hands that turned my dreams to dust.

[FreeWillSon]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

109

Game Options

1. Deep Stacked

Currency

$

I was able to satty in to the Mystery Bounty ME this past weekend. I really like the freebuy satty which allows 3 add-ons (3 dollars each) of 100k chips at the end of late reg (150bb). This is the second time I've managed to get a seat, and of course I was very excited to play. This time though, it was not meant to be, as these 2 hands saw me loosing 2/3 of my starting stack, followed by internet connection issues, and finally with 15bb left, I lost with KK vs. AQ and was out.

Anyway, here are the 2 hands that saw my starting stack vanish within the first hour, and I want to know if I could've gotten away from either one. Hand 2 especially was a bit of a punt, and I'm looking for some opinions on it.

HAND 1

888Poker, $100 + $9 - Hold'em No Limit - 30/60 (7 ante) - 9 players
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Fanz192 (UTG): 13,143 (219 bb)
FreeWillSon (UTG+1): 15,473 (258 bb)
nixOn_ (MP): 15,772 (263 bb)
Aape99 (MP+1): 14,868 (248 bb)
KickingAce (LP): 15,240 (254 bb)
_C.R.E.A.M_ (CO): 16,239 (271 bb)
BiMVPP (BU): 14,748 (246 bb)
AvadoKedavra (SB): 14,559 (243 bb)
Frnch_Bandit (BB): 14,958 (249 bb)

Pre-Flop: (153) Hero (FreeWillSon) is UTG+1 with K♥ T♥
1 fold, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) raises to 120, 5 players fold, AvadoKedavra (SB) calls 90, Frnch_Bandit (BB) calls 60

Flop: (423) 6♠ Q♥ J♣ (3 players)
AvadoKedavra (SB) checks, Frnch_Bandit (BB) bets 180, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 180, AvadoKedavra (SB) calls 180

Turn: (963) 9♠ (3 players)
AvadoKedavra (SB) checks, Frnch_Bandit (BB) bets 437, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) raises to 1,200, AvadoKedavra (SB) folds, Frnch_Bandit (BB) calls 763

River: (3,363) Q♦ (2 players)
Frnch_Bandit (BB) bets 1,741, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 1,741

Total pot: 6,845

Showdown:
Frnch_Bandit (BB) shows 9♣ Q♣ (a full house, Queens full of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 38%, Flop: 61%, Turn: 9%, River: 100%)

FreeWillSon (UTG+1) shows K♥ T♥ (a straight, Nine to King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 62%, Flop: 39%, Turn: 91%, River: 0%)

Frnch_Bandit (BB) wins 6,845

Here, I remember thinking on the turn; "well, at this moment, I have the nuts". When the queen hits on the river, I have "that feeling", but still decide to call, telling myself "it's so hard to lay down a good hand".

Villains river lead shows strength, but I convinced myself that he would have QT and KQ and maybe AJ a decent amount of the time. Would you lay this down?

HAND 2

888Poker, $100 + $9 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 9 players
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Fanz192 (UTG): 13,476 (135 bb)
FreeWillSon (UTG+1): 12,485 (125 bb)
nixOn_ (MP): 18,069 (181 bb)
Aape99 (MP+1): 14,221 (142 bb)
KickingAce (LP): 16,069 (161 bb)
_C.R.E.A.M_ (CO): 12,632 (126 bb)
BiMVPP (BU): 15,151 (152 bb)
AvadoKedavra (SB): 14,462 (145 bb)
Frnch_Bandit (BB): 18,435 (184 bb)

Pre-Flop: (258) Hero (FreeWillSon) is UTG+1 with 7♠ A♠
Fanz192 (UTG) raises to 300, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 300, 1 fold, Aape99 (MP+1) calls 300, 3 players fold, AvadoKedavra (SB) calls 250, 1 fold

Flop: (1,408) T♠ A♣ K♣ (4 players)
AvadoKedavra (SB) checks, Fanz192 (UTG) bets 364, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 364, Aape99 (MP+1) calls 364, AvadoKedavra (SB) folds

Turn: (2,500) 3♠ (3 players)
Fanz192 (UTG) bets 1,050, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 1,050, Aape99 (MP+1) folds

River: (4,600) K♥ (2 players)
Fanz192 (UTG) bets 2,300, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) raises to 5,600, Fanz192 (UTG) raises to 11,750 (all-in), FreeWillSon (UTG+1) folds

Total pot: 15,800
Fanz192 (UTG) wins 15,800

This one still bugs me. I decide to float with the backdoor nut flush draw. Then my spade shows up so I'm happy to chase to the river, hoping that if river bricks, villain checks and my ace will be good the times villain is barreling JJ and QQ or other broadway pair+draw-type hands.

River comes a K and I'm too married to the hand at this point to let it go, deciding that as played, I could represent a K with a raise, which maybe should have been bigger. Villain shoves and most certainly has me beat so I lay it down. I'm assuming correct play here is to just fold the river, cut our losses and move on. Maybe find a hero call vs a very loose villain? I don't remember having any specific read in this situation on villains' style.

 

[mariussica88]

Hi, FreeWillSon

On Hand 1 I will open bigger pre-flop 3.5x 4x , when I am that deep. The rest of the hand I believe you played it well, just unlucky to that the Q came on the river.

On Hand 2 I believe that A7s is not strong enough hand to play vs an UTG raise when you are that deep. Usually you are dominated a lot in this position.

 

[300HPGOD]

Hand 1: Even deep I am folding this UTG+1. If you are going to get involved because you are so deep then it should be a 3x raise to deter those behind from getting in and making it a community pot. Flop is fine as I would just call as well as played. Turn, the raise should be bigger here as we are deeper and as of this turn we have the nuts and there are plenty of hands like flush draws, Qx, and two pairs that could continue so we should be going for more value here and a protection element against the draws. River is interesting since it takes away the nut hand from us but opens up all the Qx that we could milk now so I think I like raising here instead of calling. We would then get re raised and would have to evaluate and then based on what we know about villain. I think calling is okay but there will be times you just call there and villain flips over some non boat Qx that you could have got more from.

Hand 2: Simple fold pre from UTG+1 with A7 suited with UTG opening 3x and the whole table still to go. We are less deep than hand 1 and also if an ace flops (as it did) we still shouldnt feel that confident with our hand. Flop is a call to that sizing. You cant go anywhere with that turn card and I dont think I would bluff here although some villains you might get them to think about folding so you would be raising here to setup some river bluff but with our hand I like calling for 40% pot ish and seeing what happens as played. I dont really like the river card as we are now calling to chop and that is if its a small Ax which is unlikely from UTG and also now Kx has us as well if that is what villain holds so I think I just fold to this bet which may sound strange but we beat nothing but a bluff here and chop with hands that just arent likely (Plus I would discount the JJ and QQ since when you call turn that should shut villain down on the river). You raise which actually is interesting as we could rep Kx here but your sizing needs to be a lot bigger for it to ever work so its a bad play as played with the sizing you used. Problem is your stack does not lend itself to bluffing the river unless you go all in which I think is suicide on this board. The bluff might work in 200 BB or more deep cash game but in this spot it just isnt going to generate enough folds to make it profitable imo.

 

[AKQ]

hand #2

this is a call here

You min raised him on the river
his bet says he has a straight or trips+
Kq KJ K10 qj
OR a bluff Q9s J9s , missed flush draw

out of those hands, which ones are you planning on getting min value from?
none of them will pay you off
they all either fold their bluffs or reraise their value hands

 

[Poker Orifice]

hand #2

this is a call here

You min raised him on the river
his bet says he has a straight or trips+
Kq KJ K10 qj
OR a bluff Q9s J9s , missed flush draw

out of those hands, which ones are you planning on getting min value from?
none of them will pay you off
they all either fold their bluffs or reraise their value hands

Hi AKQ, I believe he stated that his raise on the river was a bluff...

OP fwiw, it's a fold pre imo

 

[AKQ]

Hi AKQ, I believe he stated that his raise on the river was a bluff...

OP fwiw, it's a fold pre imo

okay....xD

You min raised him on the river
his bet says he has a straight or trips+
Kq KJ K10 qj
OR a bluff Q9s J9s , missed flush draw

out of those hands, which ones are getting fold equity that you don't already beat?
none of the missed draws will pay you off
they all either fold their bluffs or reraise their value hands

flatting the river minimizes our loss and gets max EV from the bluffs
raising the river maximizes our loss to trips + and gets us no extra EV from the bluffs

So understanding these concepts will help you out in the future, to make a proper bluff

 

[eetenor]

I was able to satty in to the Mystery Bounty ME this past weekend. I really like the freebuy satty which allows 3 add-ons (3 dollars each) of 100k chips at the end of late reg (150bb). This is the second time I've managed to get a seat, and of course I was very excited to play. This time though, it was not meant to be, as these 2 hands saw me loosing 2/3 of my starting stack, followed by internet connection issues, and finally with 15bb left, I lost with KK vs. AQ and was out.

Anyway, here are the 2 hands that saw my starting stack vanish within the first hour, and I want to know if I could've gotten away from either one. Hand 2 especially was a bit of a punt, and I'm looking for some opinions on it.

HAND 1

888Poker, $100 + $9 - Hold'em No Limit - 30/60 (7 ante) - 9 players
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Fanz192 (UTG): 13,143 (219 bb)
FreeWillSon (UTG+1): 15,473 (258 bb)
nixOn_ (MP): 15,772 (263 bb)
Aape99 (MP+1): 14,868 (248 bb)
KickingAce (LP): 15,240 (254 bb)
_C.R.E.A.M_ (CO): 16,239 (271 bb)
BiMVPP (BU): 14,748 (246 bb)
AvadoKedavra (SB): 14,559 (243 bb)
Frnch_Bandit (BB): 14,958 (249 bb)

Pre-Flop: (153) Hero (FreeWillSon) is UTG+1 with K♥ T♥
1 fold, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) raises to 120, 5 players fold, AvadoKedavra (SB) calls 90, Frnch_Bandit (BB) calls 60

Flop: (423) 6♠ Q♥ J♣ (3 players)
AvadoKedavra (SB) checks, Frnch_Bandit (BB) bets 180, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 180, AvadoKedavra (SB) calls 180

Turn: (963) 9♠ (3 players)
AvadoKedavra (SB) checks, Frnch_Bandit (BB) bets 437, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) raises to 1,200, AvadoKedavra (SB) folds, Frnch_Bandit (BB) calls 763

River: (3,363) Q♦ (2 players)
Frnch_Bandit (BB) bets 1,741, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 1,741

Total pot: 6,845

Showdown:
Frnch_Bandit (BB) shows 9♣ Q♣ (a full house, Queens full of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 38%, Flop: 61%, Turn: 9%, River: 100%)

FreeWillSon (UTG+1) shows K♥ T♥ (a straight, Nine to King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 62%, Flop: 39%, Turn: 91%, River: 0%)

Frnch_Bandit (BB) wins 6,845

Here, I remember thinking on the turn; "well, at this moment, I have the nuts". When the queen hits on the river, I have "that feeling", but still decide to call, telling myself "it's so hard to lay down a good hand".

Villains river lead shows strength, but I convinced myself that he would have QT and KQ and maybe AJ a decent amount of the time. Would you lay this down?

HAND 2

888Poker, $100 + $9 - Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (12 ante) - 9 players
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Fanz192 (UTG): 13,476 (135 bb)
FreeWillSon (UTG+1): 12,485 (125 bb)
nixOn_ (MP): 18,069 (181 bb)
Aape99 (MP+1): 14,221 (142 bb)
KickingAce (LP): 16,069 (161 bb)
_C.R.E.A.M_ (CO): 12,632 (126 bb)
BiMVPP (BU): 15,151 (152 bb)
AvadoKedavra (SB): 14,462 (145 bb)
Frnch_Bandit (BB): 18,435 (184 bb)

Pre-Flop: (258) Hero (FreeWillSon) is UTG+1 with 7♠ A♠
Fanz192 (UTG) raises to 300, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 300, 1 fold, Aape99 (MP+1) calls 300, 3 players fold, AvadoKedavra (SB) calls 250, 1 fold

Flop: (1,408) T♠ A♣ K♣ (4 players)
AvadoKedavra (SB) checks, Fanz192 (UTG) bets 364, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 364, Aape99 (MP+1) calls 364, AvadoKedavra (SB) folds

Turn: (2,500) 3♠ (3 players)
Fanz192 (UTG) bets 1,050, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) calls 1,050, Aape99 (MP+1) folds

River: (4,600) K♥ (2 players)
Fanz192 (UTG) bets 2,300, FreeWillSon (UTG+1) raises to 5,600, Fanz192 (UTG) raises to 11,750 (all-in), FreeWillSon (UTG+1) folds

Total pot: 15,800
Fanz192 (UTG) wins 15,800

This one still bugs me. I decide to float with the backdoor nut flush draw. Then my spade shows up so I'm happy to chase to the river, hoping that if river bricks, villain checks and my ace will be good the times villain is barreling JJ and QQ or other broadway pair+draw-type hands.

River comes a K and I'm too married to the hand at this point to let it go, deciding that as played, I could represent a K with a raise, which maybe should have been bigger. Villain shoves and most certainly has me beat so I lay it down. I'm assuming correct play here is to just fold the river, cut our losses and move on. Maybe find a hero call vs a very loose villain? I don't remember having any specific read in this situation on villains' style.

Hand 1 as played the V led into you twice we can fold this river most often but a call expecting to see trips nothing worse for value You can have boats on the river

2 Fold preflop
You are playing above your buy-in level no need to gamble in a spot like this- If you were Hj+call but not here

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Hi, FreeWillSon

On Hand 1 I will open bigger pre-flop 3.5x 4x , when I am that deep. The rest of the hand I believe you played it well, just unlucky to that the Q came on the river.

On Hand 2 I believe that A7s is not strong enough hand to play vs an UTG raise when you are that deep. Usually you are dominated a lot in this position.

I agree that hand 2 is in general a fold to a utg raise in that position but being deep is not the reason imo. Being deep would actually be a reason to still call and see a flop imo.

 

[psycodelic1]

Sometimes theres nothing you can do the variance and luck plays his roll gl in the next time forget avout that ttust me i had worst in 525 bunty wsop highroller 3 way pre all in with AA vs AJ vs 9J flop comes J9.....