$100 NLHE: Am I actually the Donk? Need help with AK

[Kramer3117]

$100 NL HE: Am I actually the Donk? Need help with AK

I have posted All In hands with bad beats, but this is a hand I wish I could fold. Do you think I should raise more preflop to get rid of the K6s? Or am I just the Donk????

poker stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 750948
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: t2680 M = 29.78
BB: t4370 M = 48.56
Hero (UTG): t3440 M = 38.22
UTG+1: t2890 M = 32.11
MP1: t4045 M = 44.94
MP2: t6310 M = 70.11
CO: t3735 M = 41.50
BTN: t3060 M = 34

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is UTG with K ♠ A ♥
Hero raises to t180, UTG+1 calls t180, 1 fold, MP2 calls t180, 3 folds, BB calls t120

Flop: (t750) 3 ♠ K ♥ 6 ♦ (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t240, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, BB raises to t840, Hero raises to t1440, BB raises to t4190 all in, Hero calls t1820 all in

Turn: (t7270) T ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7270) 4 ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)

 

[TopDonk]

pre is fine.

Do u have any reads/history with villain?

When he jams what do u think he has?

This board is super dry. Is he so bad he is doing this with KQ?

I mean you havnt posted results but u hav told us he has K6 (why?).

Flop lead is fine after he raises u get absolutly 0 value by raising. You fold out everything u beat and only keep in 2 pair or better hands.

Easy fold imo

 

[Tangerine 53]

Tend to agree with Top Donk. Do you have any history on the villain and what he could be re-raising with? As an aside are you using any tracker software? If you're serious about becoming a pro (or even just semi serious) I'd recommend you use something like Hold 'em Manager or Poker Tracker 3.

After his re-raise going AI doesn't achieve much unless we think he could be doing this with air.

 

[rounder22]

Alot of situations are dependent on the players your playing how tight or loose they are and how they like to play there big hands so without reads or stats it's tough to put someone on a hand.

 

[Zybomb]

Checking behind this flop for deception is a fine play as well as betting

Assuming we bet, when villain raises I'd just call. What are we hoping to accomplish by 3 betting here? Get looked up by KQ? Are players still really that bad like they were in 2004 (hint: generally not). We call and reevaluate. When the turn comes and he shoves (likely) I probably fold unless I have a read that villain severely overplays hands or bluffs heavy

Pre is obviously standrad

 

[djkismet]

i would have never put the villan on k6... of which is my death hand i always eat shit to that hand aa/ak/kk somehow it always gets me so i may have folded that out of superstition. but personally i would probably think he was puttin too much value on kq or ak n i split the pot but if he is a very lag player i would def. b careful of pocket 6's or knowin my luck id b prepared to eat shit off god damn k6 again lol

 

[Weregoat]

Flop lead is fine after he raises u get absolutly 0 value by raising. You fold out everything u beat and only keep in 2 pair or better hands.

Easy fold imo

Top, I think you may not have taken into account villain could be bluffing here.

I'm pretty sure we 3-bet the villain (I forgot). One of my favorite (and most triumphant) bluff move is to raise my villain's bet when I believe he's missed. When hero 3-bets, he's saying "hey, dummy, I really do have a hand."

What I disagree with is the call of the shove.

I would have expected villain to show a set had I called him.

 

[TopDonk]

Top, I think you may not have taken into account villain could be bluffing here.

I'm pretty sure we 3-bet the villain (I forgot). One of my favorite (and most triumphant) bluff move is to raise my villain's bet when I believe he's missed. When hero 3-bets, he's saying "hey, dummy, I really do have a hand."

What I disagree with is the call of the shove.

I would have expected villain to show a set had I called him.

Yeah I guess i worded my post pretty poorly. Basically I think we should be folding to jam and not raising this flop.

 

[Kramer3117]

Guys,

I absolutely appreciate your words. Can someone tell me how to post more info so that I can tell you what I am thinking?

steve shields

 

[Kramer3117]

Is this a better explanation guys? I really love your help.


Poker Stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 750948
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: t2680 M = 29.78
BB: t4370 M = 48.56
Hero (UTG): t3440 M = 38.22
UTG+1: t2890 M = 32.11
MP1: t4045 M = 44.94
MP2: t6310 M = 70.11
CO: t3735 M = 41.50
BTN: t3060 M = 34

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is UTG with K ♠ A ♥
Hero raises to t180, UTG+1 calls t180, 1 fold, MP2 calls t180, 3 folds, BB calls t120

Flop: (t750) 3 ♠ K ♥ 6 ♦ (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t240, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, BB raises to t840, Hero raises to t1440, BB raises to t4190 all in, Hero calls t1820 all in

Turn: (t7270) T ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7270) 4 ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)


Flop comes I bet $240 and first two seats fold and Villian raises to $840. I don't believe he can beat me at this point so I reraise knowing he DOES fold 3-bets. He 4bets me and I feel committed at this point not really taking the time to recognize what he might have. He has me covered and I lose and am out of MTT. I feel that I'm very vulnerable post flop and turn. What I can do very well is shove AI preflop 75% of the time with the lead. After that, I struggle to realize I might be beat. I was much tighter when I was new, but now seem to outhink myself.

Is this a better way of explaining the hand, because your remarks make a lot of sense to me, I just need to know what info you want if you are going to make a decent attempt at analyzing my hand.

thanks
steve
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[Poker Orifice]

I have posted All In hands with bad beats, but this is a hand I wish I could fold. Do you think I should raise more preflop to get rid of the K6s? Or am I just the Donk????

Poker Stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 750948
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: t2680 M = 29.78
BB: t4370 M = 48.56
Hero (UTG): t3440 M = 38.22
UTG+1: t2890 M = 32.11
MP1: t4045 M = 44.94
MP2: t6310 M = 70.11
CO: t3735 M = 41.50
BTN: t3060 M = 34

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is UTG with K ♠ A ♥
Hero raises to t180, UTG+1 calls t180, 1 fold, MP2 calls t180, 3 folds, BB calls t120

Flop: (t750) 3 ♠ K ♥ 6 ♦ (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t240, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, BB raises to t840, Hero raises to t1440, BB raises to t4190 all in, Hero calls t1820 all in

Turn: (t7270) T ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7270) 4 ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)

I think you need to lead out more on the flop to more clearly define your hand. I think a bet of ~410-450 would've been better.
In a multi-way pot, what hand could we possibly put villain on here that we'd consider being ahead of? (although our puney cbet might be misrepresenting our hand...??)

 

[Kramer3117]

I think you need to lead out more on the flop to more clearly define your hand. I think a bet of ~410-450 would've been better.
In a multi-way pot, what hand could we possibly put villain on here that we'd consider being ahead of? (although our puney cbet might be misrepresenting our hand...??)

By clearly defining my hand by a bigger bet, it would go against my current behavior. I obviously lose the hand and all my chips, but if I feel I'm ahead of the Villain, would you typically allow him to stay in the hand by betting small, am I confident that I would win an All-in, or does his reaction to my bigger bet reflect a much narrow idea of his hand? In this case if I come out stronger after the flop......is a good player willing to fold K high with Ace kicker after investing 1/5th of my stack???

 

[Stick66]

Is this a better explanation guys? I really love your help.


Poker Stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 750948
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: t2680 M = 29.78
BB: t4370 M = 48.56
Hero (UTG): t3440 M = 38.22
UTG+1: t2890 M = 32.11
MP1: t4045 M = 44.94
MP2: t6310 M = 70.11
CO: t3735 M = 41.50
BTN: t3060 M = 34

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is UTG with K ♠ A ♥
Hero raises to t180, UTG+1 calls t180, 1 fold, MP2 calls t180, 3 folds, BB calls t120

Flop: (t750) 3 ♠ K ♥ 6 ♦ (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t240, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, BB raises to t840, Hero raises to t1440, BB raises to t4190 all in, Hero calls t1820 all in

Turn: (t7270) T ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7270) 4 ♣ (2 players - 2 are all in)


Flop comes I bet $240 and first two seats fold and Villian raises to $840. I don't believe he can beat me at this point so I reraise knowing he DOES fold 3-bets. He 4bets me and I feel committed at this point not really taking the time to recognize what he might have. He has me covered and I lose and am out of MTT. I feel that I'm very vulnerable post flop and turn. What I can do very well is shove AI preflop 75% of the time with the lead. After that, I struggle to realize I might be beat. I was much tighter when I was new, but now seem to outhink myself.

Is this a better way of explaining the hand, because your remarks make a lot of sense to me, I just need to know what info you want if you are going to make a decent attempt at analyzing my hand.

thanks
steve
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On dry flop boards like this, I'd bet 3/4 pot or so. On wet boards, bet I'd bet full pot.

And again, your read on the villain is key here.

If the villain has been very aggressive or maniacal, or has just been making dumb/lucky plays, then your all-in call of his check-raise action could be fine here.

But for a solid player to check-raise like this usually means a set. (The fact that he called PF with K6 may mean the opposite, but I don't think you can worry about a donk getting lucky and hitting that flop so well.) If you read him as solid, folding to his final shove would have left you with 30 BB's, which is plenty to make a good comeback. TPTK doesn't look so good when a solid player shoves against you.

 

[Weregoat]

So were you right or wrong? Were you ahead or behind?

Did he show up with KT?

 

[Zybomb]

So were you right or wrong? Were you ahead or behind?

Did he show up with KT?

villain flopped top 2 (says so in OP)

 

[Kramer3117]

Villain Flopped 2 pair. I get everyone's opinion and it's a lot more then what I was thinking. I got caught thinking about what I had.
1. How do you guys use software? I get an idea of how someone reacts to a blind steal and to a 3bet. it's how I typically make my best plays.
2. I'm wondering if MY table image is that I have a hard time getting away from hands. I feel that players sometimes know what I'm holding, and it's either because I can't sell the play or they have info on me. Can anyone take a look at my history and give me an opinion of how they see me?
3. AK is the devil for me. Would anyone be interested in taking a look at the last ten AK's I've played? I have busted out 9 times I think. I used to be able to throw away any hand if I wasnt' sure, now I seem to be folding middle pocket pairs preflop in early position or preflop raise. I don't like being a mouse either.

 

[salex77]

Re: AK

I think UTG here I like to use a higher raise instead of 3x I prefer 4x or 5x because of being out of position and AK is hard to play from this position and oftentimes it invites 3 people into a hand. I prefer to limit the callers here to 2! I also would have been 75% when leading into pot because of being out of position and the number of callers.